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From: Jim Sower <canarder@frontiernet.net>
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Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] NASA ASRS info
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You weren't on flight following so they've no clue who you are or where 
to find you.  I'd stick with "let a sleeping dog lie" and "don't ask ... 
don't tell" and hope for the best.  I seriously doubt they're aware that 
there was an incursion into Class-A and absent fast movers in the 
vicinity they've very little incentive to go to all the trouble to track 
you down if by chance they did notice the incursion.  If you present 
yourself to them OTOH, there'll be someone in the system that can't 
resist the temptation to nail you - if only to prove he can.
Learn your lesson and move on.  Turn off xpdr next time you do that ... 
Jim S.

Al Gietzen wrote:

> For those wondering; full info on the ASRS is available at:
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>  http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=nasa+asrs&page=1&offset=1&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3D8a6d0ad2a0b1e57b%26clickedItemRank%3D1%26userQuery%3Dnasa%2Basrs%26clickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fasrs.arc.nasa.gov%252F%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3DNSCPIndex2%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fasrs.arc.nasa.gov%2F 
> <http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=nasa+asrs&page=1&offset=1&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3D8a6d0ad2a0b1e57b%26clickedItemRank%3D1%26userQuery%3Dnasa%2Basrs%26clickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fasrs.arc.nasa.gov%252F%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3DNSCPIndex2%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fasrs.arc.nasa.gov%2F>
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> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] 
> *On Behalf Of *David Staten
> *Sent:* Friday, August 05, 2005 3:55 AM
> *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft
> *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: / Back from Osh
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> The ASRS form wont do a thing in this case to protect against 
> enforcement. The enforcement amnesty does not apply to intentional 
> deviations from the rule
>  
> Two issues are concrete by admission: Operating above specified 
> altitudes without oxygen and operating in Class A airspace without an 
> IFR clearance. Neither were inadverdent. To add teeth to any 
> proceding, the FAA could invoke reckless and careless. If Tracy wanted 
> protection he would have needed to declared an emergency (and 
> preferably communicated that.
>  
> Dave Staten
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> William wrote:
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> Wouldn't hurt to file a NASA ASRS form as insurance.
>
> Bill Schertz
> KIS Cruiser # 4045
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>
>     *From:* Tracy Crook <mailto:lors01@msn.com>
>
>     *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft <mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
>
>     *Sent:* Thursday, August 04, 2005 6:51 PM
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>     *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: / Back from Osh
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>      
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>     Dave S., Bernie, et al,  Point well taken. 
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>     Yes, I was very lucky and will never do that again.  I thought
>     about the x-p squawking to the world how dumb this pilot over Ga
>     was but didn't dare turn it off.  I was on top of Atlanta
>     Hartsfield class B much of the time and decided they would be less
>     concerned about somebody straying above 18,000 than they would
>     about a plane at unknown altitude inside their class B.
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>      
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>     Tracy  (hoping the FAA does not monitor this list : ) 
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>         On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:31:15 -0400 "Tracy Crook"
>         <lors01@msn.com <mailto:lors01@msn.com>> writes:
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>               Class A here I come, I'll deal with FAA if I have
>             to.   By the time I spiraled down through closely spaced
>             thunderstorms in Florida I had spent about 2 hours between
>             16 and 18 thousand feet.  It was a fairly high stress period.
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>              
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>             ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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>             Wow! You're too much Tracy. You are cottonpicking lucky
>             you did not hypoxia and pull the Otter apart. Did you turn
>             off the alt x-p during the period over 18K?  I know you
>             did not talk to anyone so doubt they can trace you anyway.
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>              
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>             Putting a larger cowl flap door, now have reasonable
>             feeling cranking compression.
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>              
>
>             Bernie
>
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