X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fed1rmmtao10.cox.net ([68.230.241.29] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with ESMTP id 625752 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 05 Aug 2005 10:33:31 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.230.241.29; envelope-from=ALVentures@cox.net Received: from BigAl ([68.7.14.39]) by fed1rmmtao10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050805143240.ZJFH1860.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@BigAl> for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 10:32:40 -0400 From: "Al Gietzen" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: NASA ASRS info Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 07:32:43 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c599ca$8a72ccb0$6400a8c0@BigAl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C5998F.DE13F4B0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C5998F.DE13F4B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For those wondering; full info on the ASRS is available at: http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=3Dnasa+asrs &page=3D1&offset=3D1&result_url=3Dredir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3D8= a6d0ad2a0 b1e57b%26clickedItemRank%3D1%26userQuery%3Dnasa%2Basrs%26clickedItemURN%3= Dht tp%253A%252F%252Fasrs.arc.nasa.gov%252F%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3= DNS CPIndex2%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fasrs.arc.nasa.gov%= 2F =20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of David Staten Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 3:55 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: / Back from Osh =20 The ASRS form wont do a thing in this case to protect against = enforcement. The enforcement amnesty does not apply to intentional deviations from = the rule =20 Two issues are concrete by admission: Operating above specified = altitudes without oxygen and operating in Class A airspace without an IFR = clearance. Neither were inadverdent. To add teeth to any proceding, the FAA could invoke reckless and careless. If Tracy wanted protection he would have needed to declared an emergency (and preferably communicated that. =20 Dave Staten William wrote: Wouldn't hurt to file a NASA ASRS form as insurance. Bill Schertz KIS Cruiser # 4045 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tracy Crook =20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 6:51 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: / Back from Osh =20 Dave S., Bernie, et al, Point well taken. =20 Yes, I was very lucky and will never do that again. I thought about the = x-p squawking to the world how dumb this pilot over Ga was but didn't dare = turn it off. I was on top of Atlanta Hartsfield class B much of the time and decided they would be less concerned about somebody straying above = 18,000 than they would about a plane at unknown altitude inside their class B. =20 Tracy (hoping the FAA does not monitor this list : )=20 =20 =20 On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:31:15 -0400 "Tracy Crook" writes: Class A here I come, I'll deal with FAA if I have to. By the time I spiraled down through closely spaced thunderstorms in Florida I had = spent about 2 hours between 16 and 18 thousand feet. It was a fairly high = stress period. =20 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ =20 Wow! You're too much Tracy. You are cottonpicking lucky you did not = hypoxia and pull the Otter apart. Did you turn off the alt x-p during the period over 18K? I know you did not talk to anyone so doubt they can trace you anyway. =20 Putting a larger cowl flap door, now have reasonable feeling cranking compression. =20 Bernie >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C5998F.DE13F4B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

For those wondering; full = info on the ASRS is available at:

 http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.js= p?query=3Dnasa+asrs&page=3D1&offset=3D1&result_url=3Dredir%3F= src%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3D8a6d0ad2a0b1e57b%26clickedItemRank%3D1%26us= erQuery%3Dnasa%2Basrs%26clickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fasrs.arc.nasa= .gov%252F%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3DNSCPIndex2%26amp%3BampTest%3D= 1&remove_url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fasrs.arc.nasa.gov%2F

 

 

 

-----Origi= nal Message-----
From: Rotary motors in = aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of David Staten
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 3:55 = AM
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = / Back from Osh

 

The ASRS form = wont do a thing in this case to protect against enforcement. The enforcement = amnesty does not apply to intentional deviations from the rule
 
Two issues are concrete by admission: Operating above specified = altitudes without oxygen and operating in Class A airspace without an IFR = clearance. Neither were inadverdent. To add teeth to any proceding, the FAA could = invoke reckless and careless. If Tracy wanted protection he would = have needed to declared an emergency (and preferably communicated that.
 
Dave Staten

William wrote:

Wouldn't = hurt to file a NASA ASRS form as insurance.

Bill = Schertz
KIS Cruiser # 4045

=

----- = Original Message -----

From: Tracy Crook

Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 6:51 PM

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: / Back from Osh

 

Dave = S., Bernie, et al,  Point well taken. 

Yes, = I was very lucky and will never do that again.  I thought about the x-p squawking to the world how dumb this pilot over Ga was but didn't = dare turn it off.  I was on top of Atlanta Hartsfield class B = much of the time and decided they would be less concerned about somebody = straying above 18,000 than they would about a plane at unknown altitude = inside their class B.

 

Tracy  (hoping the FAA does not monitor this list : ) 

=

 

 

On = Thu, 4 Aug = 2005 12:31:15 -0400 "Tracy Crook" <lors01@msn.com> = writes:

  Class A here I come, I'll deal with FAA if I have to.   By the = time I spiraled down through closely spaced thunderstorms in = Florida I had spent about 2 hours between 16 and 18 thousand feet.  It was a = fairly high stress period.

 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++= ++++++++++++++++++++

 

Wow! = You're too much Tracy. You are cottonpicking = lucky you did not hypoxia and pull the Otter apart. Did you turn off the alt x-p = during the period over 18K?  I know you did not talk to anyone so doubt = they can trace you anyway.

 

Putting a larger cowl flap door, now have reasonable feeling cranking = compression.

 

Bernie

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