X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mxsf09.cluster1.charter.net ([209.225.28.209] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.4) with ESMTP id 981679 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 00:53:22 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.225.28.209; envelope-from=dalemahan@charter.net Received: from mxip06a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip06a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.136]) by mxsf09.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j524qYn1024687 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 00:52:34 -0400 Received: from fl3-24.217.241.112.charter-stl.com (HELO [192.168.2.2]) (24.217.241.112) by mxip06a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 02 Jun 2005 00:52:34 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,160,1115006400"; d="scan'208"; a="970652081:sNHT16836256" Message-ID: <429E8FFC.7070505@charter.net> Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 23:50:04 -0500 From: Dale Mahan User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: [Fwd: COZY: Rotary risks] References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob White wrote: >I've got facts that might save your life. You guys are taking a lot of >risks. I know what they are, but I'm too busy to tell you right now. > >Give me a break! > >Bob W. > > >On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 20:31:30 -0500 >Jerry Hey wrote: > > > >>I used to waste my time actually responding to stuff like this. It is >>unfocused and really uninformed blather that adds nothing to the >>knowledge pool. Jerry >> >> >>On Wednesday, June 1, 2005, at 08:08 PM, wrote: >> >> >> >>>You guys are in trouble: >>> >>> >>>>From: al p wick >>>>Date: 2005/06/01 Wed PM 05:53:06 EDT >>>>To: Cozy_Builders@mailman.qth.net >>>>Subject: COZY: Rotary risks >>>> >>>>I'm part way thru measuring Rotary risks. Using Tracy's newsletters as >>>>basis(what a neat guy). One thing is abundantly clear, it is a very >>>>high >>>>risk install. Substantially higher than the Lycoming. I know this is >>>>going to upset a lot of people. I don't want to remain silent when I >>>>have >>>>facts that may save a life. >>>>Each change you make to a system increases your risk. Tons of changes. >>>>Marginal cooling of oil and water 6+ years later. Having to watch >>>>something is a root cause of pilot oversight. >>>>High shut down risk of his EFI system(too bad, as his EFI could be a >>>>huge >>>>risk reduction if designed differently). >>>>Repeat root cause failures to design changes... the same pattern to >>>>all >>>>the failures. >>>> >>>>Doesn't mean don't use rotary, Perry had much lower risk as he didn't >>>>modify all those systems. It means, if you go that route, you better >>>>make >>>>sure you use every skill you can muster to anticipate failures and >>>>qualify each change while on the ground. >>>> >>>>I'll itemize the risk items in future, too many pans in fire right >>>>now. I >>>>also have to look at other info sources. >>>> >>>>Risk is not measured by how many moving components you have. That is >>>>propaganda. As are terms like "hand grenade" and "melting aluminum". >>>>It's >>>>the total system that counts. >>>> >>>>Fire away! >>>> >>>>-al wick >>>>Artificial intelligence in cockpit, Cozy IV powered by stock Subaru >>>>2.5 >>>>N9032U 200+ hours on engine/airframe from Portland, Oregon >>>>Prop construct, Subaru install, Risk assessment, Glass panel design >>>>info: >>>>http://www.maddyhome.com/canardpages/pages/alwick/index.html >>>> >>>>On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 09:13:16 -0700 "Keith N91KS" >>>>writes: >>>> The rotary guys are coming in much lighter and >>>> >>>> >>>>>the reliability of those engines sounds like they have made great >>>>>improvements. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Keith >>>>>Cozy N91KS >>>>> >>>>> >>>>______________________________________________________________ >>>>Cozy_builders mailing list >>>>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/cozy_builders >>>>Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html >>>>Post: mailto:Cozy_builders@mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>>> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>>>> >>>>> >> >> >>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>>> >>>> >> >> > > > > Yeah, I'm out to save lives too, but I don't have the time - nice thoughts. When do I attain "true enlightenment" from the single source of "vast eternal kozmik trooths" about the risks of rotary engines? I can hardly wait, but the "guru" doesn't have the time. Best, Dale