X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [199.185.220.223] (HELO priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.4) with ESMTP id 981562 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:27:48 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=199.185.220.223; envelope-from=echolakeresort@telus.net Received: from boucher-oddle24 ([207.194.26.16]) by priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with ESMTP id <20050602022700.EVWH4546.priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net@boucher-oddle24> for ; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 20:27:00 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.322 [267.3.0]); Wed, 01 Jun 2005 19:26:58 -0700 Message-Id: <429E6E6F.00001C.01700@BOUCHER-ODDLE24> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 19:26:55 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (3001609) From: "Echo Lake Fishing Resort (Georges Boucher)" References: To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: [Fwd: COZY: Rotary risks] X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-429E6E7251AC=======" --=======AVGMAIL-429E6E7251AC======= Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_VSQFZJA1VA4000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_VSQFZJA1VA4000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm with you Jerry this guy must be on drugs!=0D Georges B. =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Rotary motors in aircraft=0D Date: 06/01/05 18:30:21=0D To: Rotary motors in aircraft=0D Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: [Fwd: COZY: Rotary risks]=0D =0D I used to waste my time actually responding to stuff like this. It is=0D unfocused and really uninformed blather that adds nothing to the=0D knowledge pool. Jerry=0D =0D =0D On Wednesday, June 1, 2005, at 08:08 PM, wrote:=0D =0D > You guys are in trouble:=0D >>=0D >> From: al p wick =0D >> Date: 2005/06/01 Wed PM 05:53:06 EDT=0D >> To: Cozy_Builders@mailman.qth.net=0D >> Subject: COZY: Rotary risks=0D >>=0D >> I'm part way thru measuring Rotary risks. Using Tracy's newsletters as= =0D >> basis(what a neat guy). One thing is abundantly clear, it is a very=0D >> high=0D >> risk install. Substantially higher than the Lycoming. I know this is=0D >> going to upset a lot of people. I don't want to remain silent when I=0D >> have=0D >> facts that may save a life.=0D >> Each change you make to a system increases your risk. Tons of changes.= =0D >> Marginal cooling of oil and water 6+ years later. Having to watch=0D >> something is a root cause of pilot oversight.=0D >> High shut down risk of his EFI system(too bad, as his EFI could be a=0D >> huge=0D >> risk reduction if designed differently).=0D >> Repeat root cause failures to design changes... the same pattern to=0D >> all=0D >> the failures.=0D >>=0D >> Doesn't mean don't use rotary, Perry had much lower risk as he didn't=0D >> modify all those systems. It means, if you go that route, you better=0D >> make=0D >> sure you use every skill you can muster to anticipate failures and=0D >> qualify each change while on the ground.=0D >>=0D >> I'll itemize the risk items in future, too many pans in fire right=0D >> now. I=0D >> also have to look at other info sources.=0D >>=0D >> Risk is not measured by how many moving components you have. That is=0D >> propaganda. As are terms like "hand grenade" and "melting aluminum".=0D >> It's=0D >> the total system that counts.=0D >>=0D >> Fire away!=0D >>=0D >> -al wick=0D >> Artificial intelligence in cockpit, Cozy IV powered by stock Subaru=0D >> 2.5=0D >> N9032U 200+ hours on engine/airframe from Portland, Oregon=0D >> Prop construct, Subaru install, Risk assessment, Glass panel design=0D >> info:=0D >> http://www.maddyhome.com/canardpages/pages/alwick/index.html=0D >>=0D >> On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 09:13:16 -0700 "Keith N91KS" =0D >> writes:=0D >> The rotary guys are coming in much lighter and=0D >>> the reliability of those engines sounds like they have made great=0D >>> improvements.=0D >>=0D >>=0D >>> Keith=0D >>> Cozy N91KS=0D >> ______________________________________________________________=0D >> Cozy_builders mailing list=0D >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/cozy_builders=0D >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html=0D >> Post: mailto:Cozy_builders@mailman.qth.net=0D >>=0D >=0D >=0D >>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/=0D >>> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html=0D >=0D =0D =0D >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/=0D >> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html=0D =0D =0D --=0D No virus found in this incoming message.=0D Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.=0D Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.3.0 - Release Date: 5/30/2005=0D =0D =2E --------------Boundary-00=_VSQFZJA1VA4000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm with you Jerry this guy must be on drugs!
Georges B. 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 06/01/05 18:= 30:21
Subject: [FlyRotar= y] Re: [Fwd: COZY: Rotary risks]
 
I used to waste my time actually responding to stuff like this. It i= s
unfocused and really uninformed  blather that  a= dds nothing to the
knowledge pool.   Jerry
 
 
On Wednesday, June 1, 2005, at 08:08 PM, <atlasyts@bellsouth.net> wrote:
 
> You guys are in trouble:
>>
>> From: al p wick <alwi= ck@juno.com>
>> Date: 2005/06/01 Wed PM 05:53:06 EDT
>> Subject: COZY: Rotary risks
>>
>> I'm part way thru measuring Rotary risks. Using Tracy's new= sletters as
>> basis(what a neat guy). One thing is abundantly clear, it i= s a very
>> high
>> risk install. Substantially higher than the Lycoming. I kno= w this is
>> going to upset a lot of people. I don't want to remain sile= nt when I
>> have
>> facts that may save a life.
>> Each change you make to a system increases your risk. Tons = of changes.
>> Marginal cooling of oil and water 6+ years later. Having to= watch
>> something is a root cause of pilot oversight.
>> High shut down risk of his EFI system(too bad, as his EFI c= ould be a
>> huge
>> risk reduction if designed differently).
>> Repeat root cause failures to design changes... the same pa= ttern to
>> all
>> the failures.
>>
>> Doesn't mean don't use rotary, Perry had much lower risk as= he didn't
>> modify all those systems. It means, if you go that route, y= ou better
>> make
>> sure you use every skill you can muster to anticipate failu= res and
>> qualify each change while on the ground.
>>
>> I'll itemize the risk items in future, too many pans in fir= e right
>> now. I
>> also have to look at other info sources.
>>
>> Risk is not measured by how many moving components you have= =2E That is
>> propaganda. As are terms like "hand grenade" and "melting a= luminum".
>> It's
>> the total system that counts.
>>
>> Fire away!
>>
>> -al wick
>> Artificial intelligence in cockpit, Cozy IV powered by stoc= k Subaru
>> 2.5
>> N9032U 200+ hours on engine/airframe from Portland, Oregon<= /DIV>
>> Prop construct, Subaru install, Risk assessment, Glass pane= l design
>> info:
>>
>> On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 09:13:16 -0700 "Keith N91KS" <kspreuer@yahoo.com>
>> writes:
>>  The rotary guys are coming in much lighter and
>>> the reliability of those engines sounds like they have = made great
>>> improvements.
>>
>>
>>> Keith
>>> Cozy N91KS
>> ___________________________________________________________= ___
>> Cozy_builders mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/cozy_builders
>>
>
>
>>>  Homepage:  http://www.flyrotary.com/
>
 
 
>>  Homepage:  http://www.flyrotary.com/
 
 
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