X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [24.25.9.103] (HELO ms-smtp-04-eri0.southeast.rr.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c5) with ESMTP id 945208 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 15 May 2005 20:09:58 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=24.25.9.103; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from edward2 (cpe-024-074-189-178.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.189.178]) by ms-smtp-04-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j4G099L5028490 for ; Sun, 15 May 2005 20:09:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003601c559ab$7bb0c830$2402a8c0@edward2> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Prop balancing? Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 20:09:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01C55989.F46D1BB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C55989.F46D1BB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 That was probably EAA Ch 105 here in Portland, OR. Four of us were = trained up by the DSS factory guy back in November using the DSS Micro = unit. It's a basic unit (forget the model) but all we are going to use = it on is an airplane. I forget exactly what we paid for it but it was = about $5600. This chapter has upwards of 100 active members and half of = them are building RVs. =20 If you're serious about the investment I can get the details for you. = A person could make it back balancing experimentals. Our rules are that = the owner is responsible for adding any weights, we just tell them where = to put it. Any certified bird has to come with it's own A&P to do the = wrenching and make the log entries. (Our chapter president is a lawyer = and Das Fed is a member of the chapter. We (ahem) know the rules rather = well.) So far we have balanced a couple of dozen planes and it's making a lot = of difference here on the local fleet. The challenges are as you have = discovered, gear reductions, getting a good trigger signal, and = realizing that you can't get a good reading because a plane has a bad = engine mount or some such thing. These computer based units are great = because you can even show bad cylinders, frozen harmonic balance weights = and similar problems by looking at the spectrum. On a gear reduction = unit like ours you can look at the spectrum and see the prop side vibes = as well as the engine side vibes. I suspect on a rotary, with some = practice, you would be able to see a bad apex seal. Not to mention on a = rotary you will have a spectrum on the shaft side (6000 rpm) and the = rotor side (2000 rpm). If you put the transducer on the accessory end = you can see the vibes from your alternator and water pump (adjusted for = pulley ratio). My current struggle is with a guy's Thunder Gull sporting a Hirth 2 = banger and a 2.53 gear. Spent an afternoon with him only to discover a = broken motor mount...(grrrrr..). Since I'm the alternative engine guy = in the group I get to deal with all the "Renaissance Men". The = Lycomings are a 20 minute job once the cowling is off -- too easy. Mike McGee, RV-4 N996RV, O320-E2G, Hillsboro, OR 13B in gestation mode, RD-1C, EC-2=20 Thanks for the detailed info, Mike. I am going to bring a copy of this e mail when I get my prop = dynamically balanced, just so the guy can have a better ideal of what to = expect. Ed A ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C55989.F46D1BB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
 
That was probably EAA Ch 105 = here in=20 Portland, OR.  Four of us were trained up by the DSS factory guy = back in=20 November using the DSS Micro unit.  It's a basic unit (forget the = model)=20 but all we are going to use it on is an airplane.  I forget = exactly what=20 we paid for it but it was about $5600.  This chapter has upwards = of 100=20 active members and half of them are building RVs. 

If = you're=20 serious about the investment I can get the details for you.  A = person=20 could make it back balancing experimentals.  Our rules are that = the owner=20 is responsible for adding any weights, we just tell them where to put=20 it.  Any certified bird has to come with it's own A&P to do = the=20 wrenching and make the log entries.  (Our chapter president is a = lawyer=20 and Das Fed is a member of the chapter.  We (ahem) know the rules = rather=20 well.)

So far we have balanced a couple of dozen planes and = it's making=20 a lot of difference here on the local fleet.  The challenges are = as you=20 have discovered, gear reductions, getting a good trigger signal, and = realizing=20 that you can't get a good reading because a plane has a bad engine = mount or=20 some such thing.  These computer based units are great because = you can=20 even show bad cylinders, frozen harmonic balance weights and similar = problems=20 by looking at the spectrum.  On a gear reduction unit like ours = you can=20 look at the spectrum and see the prop side vibes as well as the engine = side=20 vibes.  I suspect on a rotary, with some practice, you would be = able to=20 see a bad apex seal.  Not to mention on a rotary you will have a = spectrum=20 on the shaft side (6000 rpm) and the rotor side (2000 rpm).  If = you put=20 the transducer on the accessory end you can see the vibes from your = alternator=20 and water pump (adjusted for pulley ratio).

My current struggle = is with=20 a guy's Thunder Gull sporting a Hirth 2 banger and a 2.53 gear.  = Spent an=20 afternoon with him only to discover a broken motor = mount...(grrrrr..). =20 Since I'm the alternative engine guy in the group I get to deal with = all the=20 "Renaissance Men".  The Lycomings are a 20 minute job once the = cowling is=20 off -- too easy.

Mike McGee, RV-4 N996RV, O320-E2G, Hillsboro, OR
13B = in=20 gestation mode, RD-1C, EC-2=20

 

Thanks for the detailed info, Mike.

I am going to bring a copy of this e mail when I = get my=20 prop dynamically balanced, just so the guy can have a better ideal of = what to=20 expect.

 

Ed A

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