X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au ([211.29.132.191] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c5) with ESMTPS id 942380 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 13 May 2005 03:34:59 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=211.29.132.191; envelope-from=lendich@optusnet.com.au Received: from george (d220-236-29-226.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.236.29.226]) by mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j4D7XNac018047 for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 17:34:10 +1000 Message-ID: <042d01c5578e$c59906c0$e21decdc@george> From: "George Lendich" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Aluminum side housings Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 17:37:49 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 > We were discussing aluminum side and intermediate housings a couple of > weeks ago. A figure of somewhere around 15lbs per housing in weight > savings was thrown out. The exact figure isn't as important the fact > that several Delta builders have had to stack approximately that much > weight in the tail to get the proper W&B. At $1400, one aluminum > housing could possibly save me 30lbs, which is just under $50/lb. > $50/lb is the figure that I like to use when deciding if more money is > worth the weight savings. > > So, from the aluminum housings look like a winner, except that I read > one of Mazda's brochures for the RX-8. In the engine section they go on > about how the engineers have worked so hard to reduce the engine weight, > and how engineers of performance autos will give up major limbs to drop > a few pounds. > > So why did they continue with the cast iron housings? They had to > redesign the castings for different exhaust anyway, and I assume the > engineers have internet access and can look at what the racing shops are > selling. It seems that having to deal with only one type of casting > material would simplify things. Would the wear surface treatments still > be prohibitively expensive even in production runs, or is there some > hidden reliability gotcha that isn't advertised well? Ernest, Surface treatments are problematic- no real cost effective treatment as yet. Composite( aluminium and steel) housings don't save that much weight, I forget the exact figures but will save about 30 lbs, at best. A hell of a lot of work ( and cost) to get that 30 lbs. The side exhaust have thrown in another complexity, due to extra heat in the side port. I consider the technology used for the rotor housings the only real way to go for strength and weight savings. George ( down under)