X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [24.25.9.102] (HELO ms-smtp-03-eri0.southeast.rr.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c5) with ESMTP id 936369 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 08 May 2005 07:27:02 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=24.25.9.102; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from edward2 (cpe-024-074-189-178.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.189.178]) by ms-smtp-03-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j48BQDY5005924 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 07:26:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000e01c553c0$c5ba8a10$2402a8c0@edward2> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Seal Hrdness Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 07:26:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Ok, Got it. I understand now. Well the seal I sent to Bill was an undamaged seal (so not likely to have been heated by friction to that extreme) and it was "softer" than Rusty's seal. I sent both parts of the damaged seal to Tracy but uncertain whether he will do a hardness test. But, you are right, likely inconclusive on the outcome. But, I do believe that softer seals and sloppy slots were part of the damage equation. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "BillDube@killacycle.com" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 12:42 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Seal Hrdness > At 11:17 AM 5/6/2005, you wrote: >>Bill, not certain I am following your thought. Are you indicating that my >>seals became very hot as a result of the malfunction? - please elaborate. > > If your seals became cocked and jammed against the housing walls, > the friction might get them very hot. Perhaps red hot. If they got very > hot then it is possible that the hardness was reduced by this heat cycle. > > My point is that unless you do a hardness test on a seal (or a > portion of a seal) that you are certain never became overheated, you can't > be sure if the lack of hardness was the cause, or the result, of the > engine failure. > > > >>If they did I presume you are saying that they might have had their >>hardness reduced by the extreme heat? Just the failed rotor seals or >>both? > > If the undamaged seals in the other (undamaged) rotor are soft, > you have found the cause of the failure. If they are all hard on the > undamaged rotor, you still are not 100% sure if one or more of the seals > on the failed rotor were soft, but it is less likely. > > Bill Dube > http://www.killacycle.com/Lights.htm > > > >>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html