X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [24.25.9.100] (HELO ms-smtp-01-eri0.southeast.rr.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c5) with ESMTP id 935671 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 07 May 2005 07:31:04 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=24.25.9.100; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from edward2 (cpe-024-074-189-178.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.189.178]) by ms-smtp-01-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j47BUFLw011739 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 07:30:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002901c552f8$2a51fb30$2402a8c0@edward2> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Static MAP readings? Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 07:30:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01C552D6.A2E0FD20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C552D6.A2E0FD20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tracy has a schematic in his EC2 documentation for wiring up the power = to the injectors whereby you can do just that. Switch off either = primary or secondary (or both if you want to practice gliding {:>)). I = find it very helpful in trouble shooting and it shows the rotary engine = will fly just fine on only two stock Mazda injectors. Ed A ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Staten=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 5:33 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Static MAP readings? Something to consider... with a solitary injector failure you will = have mismatched fuel flow to your two rotors, and this will cause a = mismatch in the power produced, and vibration. Some have suggested being = able to toggle pairs of injectors on/off for being able to run smoothly = in this failure mode. =20 Dave Russell Duffy wrote: I was thinking that I could use two injectors as primaries and the = other two as secondaries. I believe the secondaries kick in above a = certain throttle setting? If set up like that, wouldn't all 4 injectors = be working at cruise throttle settings? If so, if one injector failed, = there would still be one injector spraying fuel into one of the rotor = housings, and two spraying fuel into the other rotor housing, giving me = some kind of redundancy. =20 Hi Paul, Just got my DSL and phone line back. I was having withdrawals :-) =20 You're right about what you say, but I don't think that half of your = fuel will be much better than none. I'm guessing the rotor would be so = lean that it wouldn't fire anyway. With Tracy's unit, you can install disable switches (and if you're = smart you will when you're wiring the EC-2 ). When you disable one = set of injectors, the cpu knows it, and will take the proper action, = which is really a sweet feature.=20 If your in cruise, and all 4 injectors are running, it will double = the fuel pulse to the two injectors that you didn't disable. That way, = you will have normal fuel flow, up to the point where your two injectors = run out of flow. This will still get us into the high cruise range, but = maybe not WOT at sea level. =20 If you're at low throttle, and disable the ones that weren't on = anyway, nothing happens. If you're at low throttle and disable the ones = that were on, it turns the others on instead.=20 Any of that makes sense? Rusty (still working on the single rotor Ebay guy) >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C552D6.A2E0FD20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tracy has a schematic in his EC2 = documentation=20  for wiring up the power to the injectors whereby you can do just=20 that.  Switch off either primary or secondary (or both if you want = to=20 practice gliding {:>)).  I find it very helpful in trouble = shooting and=20 it shows the rotary engine will fly just fine on only two stock Mazda=20 injectors.
 
Ed A
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David=20 Staten
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 = 5:33=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Static = MAP=20 readings?

Something to consider... with a solitary injector = failure you=20 will have mismatched fuel flow to your two rotors, and this will cause = a=20 mismatch in the power produced, and vibration. Some have suggested = being able=20 to toggle pairs of injectors on/off for being able to run smoothly in = this=20 failure mode.
 
Dave

Russell Duffy wrote:
 I was thinking that I = could use two=20 injectors as primaries and the other two as secondaries. I believe = the=20 secondaries kick in above a certain throttle setting?  If set = up like=20 that, wouldn't all 4 injectors be working at cruise throttle = settings? =20 If so, if one injector failed, there would still be one injector = spraying=20 fuel into one of the rotor housings, and two spraying fuel into the = other=20 rotor housing, giving me some kind of = redundancy.   
 
 
Hi=20 Paul,
 
Just got my DSL and = phone line=20 back.  I was having withdrawals :-) =20
 
You're right about = what you=20 say, but I don't think that half of your fuel will be much better = than=20 none.  I'm guessing the rotor would be so lean that it wouldn't = fire=20 anyway.
 
With Tracy's unit, = you can=20 install disable switches (and if you're smart you will when you're = wiring=20 the EC-2 <g>).  When you disable one set of injectors, = the cpu=20 knows it, and will take the proper action, which is really a sweet = feature.=20
 
If your in cruise, = and all 4=20 injectors are running, it will double the fuel pulse to the two = injectors=20 that you didn't disable.  That way, you will have normal fuel = flow, up=20 to the point where your two injectors run out of flow.  This = will still=20 get us into the high cruise range, but maybe not WOT at sea = level. =20
 
If you're at low = throttle, and=20 disable the ones that weren't on anyway, nothing happens.  If = you're at=20 low throttle and disable the ones that were on, it turns the others = on=20 instead. 
 
Any of that makes=20 sense?
 
Rusty (still = working on the=20 single rotor Ebay guy)
 
 
 

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