X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from frontend3.cwpanama.net ([201.225.225.169] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c5) with ESMTP id 922085 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 02 May 2005 09:15:59 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=201.225.225.169; envelope-from=rijakits@cwpanama.net Received: from [201.224.93.110] (HELO usuarioq3efog0) by frontend3.cwpanama.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.1) with SMTP id 39519876 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 02 May 2005 08:22:38 -0500 Message-ID: <009a01c54f18$f7097a10$6e5de0c9@usuarioq3efog0> From: "rijakits" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: Inserts - Exhaust Augmenters Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 08:15:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie England" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 9:36 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Inserts > rijakits wrote: > > > snipped > > > >Charlie, > > > >I suggest you look also into exhaust augmentation. > >If you are already "skunk working" on something new and exhaust related, you > >might as well reap the benefits from that. It should help with cooling > >(pulls air through the radiators/oil cooler), it would provide some kind of > >fairing (streamlines the cooling exit, exhaust exit and might hide any > >muffler), it also should muffle the exhaust noise (might get away with out > >any muffler...). As the augmentation implies a mixing with cooler (...than > >exhaust) air this should muffle the noise as well. If it does not mix, it > >will at least suround the hot exhaust gases with a mantle of cooler air - > >muffling again. It should also increase efficiency as you have the exhaust > >gases do some work - should also work for a turbo (double duty!) > >Last but not least benefit: Depending on the exhaust routing ( how early in > >the duct you can introduce the exhaust pipe into the cooling duct), the > >cooler air in the duct will isolate the exhaust heat from the rest of the > >engine compartement. > > > >Just a little info from this site: http://bd-4.org/cooling_nicoson.html > >Dan Nicoson is planning a V8 installation with exhaust augmentation, so it > >is also liquid cooled and a lot of heat to be removed....... > > > >Anyway, I hope between all on this list the maximum power, lightest weight, > >most reliable system is found some time, so I can shamelessly copy the > >perfect setup!! - ...sometime when I get to build:)) > > > >Cheers, > >Thomas Jakits > > > > Thanks for the link; it's good reading. I've thought a lot about exhaust > augmentation. The 2 downsides I've heard (2nd hand info only) is that > they can actually increase drag at high speeds & that they usually > *increase* noise levels. The 2nd is not too hard to understand & pilot > opinions about certified planes using the technique seem universal that > they are louder than similar designs w/o augmentation. The 1st is a > little harder to understand. Maybe the augmenters draw too much air > through the system. > > Are you considering a BD-4? I owned one for about a year, between two > RV-4's. > > Charlie > I guess one could work with some kind of cowl flaps with the augmentation idea to reduce drag (or limit the intake with flaps...) The only airplane I ever got close to that uses augmentation was a Twin-Bonanza, and you are eright it is failry loud. But it doesn't use any muffler and the augmenters are not faired either, but are rather open, pointing downwards at a rather steep angle. If you look at Dan Nicosons drawing, the exhaust "jet" is very far forward of from where the fairing seems to end and it points straight back. I would hope/expect that thiswould muffle/mix the air a lot better that if the fairing would end right at or shortly after the exhaust pipe..... To the BD-4, see my private e-mail... Thomas Jakits.