Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #21197
From: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Inserts
Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 09:18:01 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Ed Anderson wrote:


> Not directly applicable here except in the sense that we should make no

untested assumptions, but here goes:

Kent Paser of 'Speed with Economy' fame played with 'reversion cones' on his Lyc. They are cones smaller in diameter than the exhaust ports & mounted directly in the ports. Obviously this should interfere with exhaust flow but he found that they can improve breathing in a Lyc.

The NA splitters look suspiciously like flattened cones....

To invert Bob's tag line: when things change, things change.

Charlie
(just stirring the pot a little)


Ok, "Pot Stirrer"{:>).  The reversion cones in exhaust are designed to do just that as you are aware.  Prevent the reflected pressure wave in the exhaust from pressurizing the cylinder while it is open for the intake function and hindering intake of fresh fuel/air. However the only  Mazda engineering data that I could find indicated the primary purpose of the "splitters" are for noise suppression. Here are two charts on the Mazda Exhaust splitters.  The technique appears to be more effective at the higher rpms and as Tracy and I speculated, probably has little effect on power until the higher rpms.  From the chart, it looks like the technique is really effective after 4000 rpm.  So if it is at the same time affecting power, it may be happening at lower rpms than I originally would have thought.  Here are the two charts.

7-207.gif shows the splitters  and 7-208 shows the 8 db noise reduction obtained by use of the splitters.  I believe the tuboblock has no splitters because it has the turbo to deaden the exhaust noise - if the splitter were for reversion prevention then I would think the turbo blocks would have it as well.

Not conclusive proof, but the only data I could find on the function of the splitters.

Ed A


I love it when a plan comes together. I got Ed to show me previously unseen hard data on how effective the splitters are at noise reduction. :-) Now I need to know how much hp is really lost. In order to determine that, I need 1st to know how the difference *using the same exhaust system*. Then I need to know how much is lost in the extra 'muffling' needed to reduce the clean ported system by 8 dB. Then I need to know how much weight is added by the extra 'muffling'. Then how much drag is added by the extra muffling hanging out in the airstream.  I think Tracy said that his current belly mounted muffler is costing somewhere between 3-5 mph. Looking at the cube function of airspeed/hp, how many hp does it take to recover 5 mph at 200 mph? Can I arrive at the same net performance with a smaller in-cowl muffler & some careful heat shielding?

BTW, Bill's right about the name & design details (expanded pipe around the cone) of Anti-reversion cones. Again, a plan comes together as I learned more new stuff. I knew the design details but wasn't aware of Jim Fueling. Thanks, Bill.

Sometimes dumb questions (or statements) yield some pretty intelligent thoughts & useful data. Onward, through the fog...

Charlie
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