X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [24.25.9.102] (HELO ms-smtp-03-eri0.southeast.rr.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c5) with ESMTP id 920484 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 13:16:04 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=24.25.9.102; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from edward2 (cpe-024-074-189-178.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.189.178]) by ms-smtp-03-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j3UHFGY5008720 for ; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 13:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002a01c54da8$4f38e3a0$2402a8c0@edward2> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Induction Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 13:16:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01C54D86.C7F53720" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C54D86.C7F53720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't agree that the weight penalty is minimal, George. I'll bet the = lower, mid and upper sections together weigh close to 35-40 lbs (even = more if you throw in the Mazda TB which weights 5 lbs). My latest intake manifold (upper and mid) weighs 6 lbs + weight of = lower stock NA manifold I use - which I have milled a lot of metal off = of - weights perhaps 5 lbs. So I save 25-30 lbs. Having built an = "overweigh" RV I can tell you the ozs soon add to pounds (Kilograms) to = the tens of pounds until I ended up about 120lbs overweight empty. That = was before painting it and putting in upholstery. That's like tying a 60 lbs bags of concrete onto each gear and going = flying with it - wish I had paid more attention to every oz. Its like I = fly with two people in the aircraft instead of just little old me. You = can tell it mainly in climb but it affects top speed as well. Tracy = Crook on the other hand is a weight frantic and his very light RV 4 = just out climbs me as if I were sitting still. =20 Yes, I have trimmed some of the excess weight, I used to have 44 pounds = of batteries and now down to one 14 lb battery, have probably trimmed at = least 10 lbs off of intake manifold weight, etc. But, the aircraft = still weights more than I like. Wouldn't make much difference in a car, but every oz counts in an = aircraft (personal opinion of course) Ed A ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Echo Lake Fishing Resort (Georges Boucher)=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 12:26 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Induction Group Tell me what I'm missing, with a '91 13b manifold base plus a 83 = upper & mid section I get 21" from face to throttle plates (the optimum = length?) . with a "plugs up" installation it all will fit under my = cowling, the weight penalty is minimal. Why try to re-engineer what = Mazda did? Georges B.( this probably will not have the same effect as the = oil injection question) =20 =20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.4 - Release Date: 4/27/2005 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C54D86.C7F53720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I don't agree that the weight penalty is minimal, George.  = I'll bet=20 the lower, mid and upper sections together weigh close to 35-40 lbs = (even more=20 if you throw in the Mazda TB which weights 5 lbs).
 
  My latest intake manifold  (upper and mid) weighs 6 lbs = +=20 weight of lower stock NA manifold I use - which I have milled a lot of = metal off=20 of - weights perhaps 5 lbs.  So I save 25-30 lbs.  Having = built an=20 "overweigh" RV I can tell you the ozs soon add to pounds (Kilograms) to = the tens=20 of pounds until I ended up about 120lbs overweight empty.  That was = before=20 painting it and putting in upholstery.
 
That's like tying a 60 lbs bags of concrete onto each gear and = going=20 flying with it - wish I had paid more attention to every oz.  Its = like I=20 fly with two people in the aircraft instead of just little old me.  = You can=20 tell it mainly in climb but it affects top speed as well.  Tracy = Crook on=20 the other hand is  a weight frantic and his very light RV 4 just = out climbs=20 me as if I were sitting still. 
 
Yes, I have trimmed some of the excess weight, I used to have 44 = pounds of=20 batteries and now down to one 14 lb battery, have probably trimmed at = least 10=20 lbs off of intake manifold weight, etc.  But, the aircraft still = weights=20 more than I like.
 
Wouldn't make much difference in a car, but every oz counts in an = aircraft=20 (personal opinion of  course)
 
Ed A
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Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 = 12:26=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Induction

Group
Tell me what I'm missing, with a '91 13b manifold base plus = a 83=20 upper & mid section I get 21" from face to throttle plates = (the=20 optimum length?) . with a "plugs up" installation it all will = fit under=20 my cowling, the weight penalty is minimal. Why try to = re-engineer what=20 Mazda did?
 
Georges B.( this probably will not have the same effect as = the oil=20 injection question)
 

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