Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #20413
From: Tracy Crook <lors01@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Air filters
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 10:53:34 -0400
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
You are properly paranoid about hardware ingestion Todd, I am equally so.  I missed where Leon warned about cardboard but that would surprise me.  I have used plastic steel (JB Weld, etc) in my intake systems without any problems (being very careful about details, surface prep, etc).  On my test stand I am not so careful and the engine has ingested small pieces of epoxy, JB weld and super-fill during test runs.  No guarantees of course, but that engine is still running fine. 
 
Air filters are a good idea and I'd never argue against them but OTOH I have never used them in the 1500+ hours of flying.  My first engine went 856 hours (only replaced so I could try a different port scheme) and had no noticeable wear on rotor housings, barely measurable wear on side housings, apex seals had about .012 total wear on height.   This is one of the many areas where details and pilot technique can make a night and day difference.  My air intakes have always been at the top of the cowl (dirt & sand density are highest near the ground of course (a bottom scoop without filter would be 'not good') and I am careful about the dust conditions when I am forced to taxi with traffic (avoid when possible).
 
On the subject of ram air, it really is not much of a factor below 120 mph and no factor at all on takeoff.   It becomes significant at top speed which is about 225 mph on my RV-4.
 
Tracy  (waiting for runway to emerge before departing for Colorado)

This thread has gotten me thinking about things that make rotors stop.
    So tonight I removed the an item of concern. There was a screw inside my airbox (under the filter) holding it down onto it's proper position. This was due to the shape of the intake hose trying to move it a little. However the heat from the engine and turbo over the last 50+ hours has made it sit perfectly without the screw to hold it and once the top cowl is in position it is captured and cannot move.
    But more disconcerting is another mod. Many builders have done this and that is the plastic steel (JB weld or Devcon) inside the secondary intakes in the end plates. During my first build I was all ready to perform this task when I had thoughts about a piece of plastic weld breaking loose and going through a rotor, so I omitted it. On my second rebuild (after detonation incident), I went ahead with it, thinking that if anything like this was going to happen I'd likely have heard about it and also thinking that the engine would likely just pass it through without incident. Now after reading Leon's testimonials about things as trivial as a bit of cardboard taking out a rotor, I'm again thinking about this.
    Plastic steel is incredibly tough, but when I need to remove some, I use my acetylene torch to heat it and it will crumble away in chunks. Now if the engine is properly cooled it should never get anywhere near hot enough to compromise the strength of this stuff, would it? What about on a loss of coolant or other overheat situation. Even if the engine doesn't appear to be damaged from this, what about the plastic steel?
    I'm not being paranoid or anything here, but just asking questions to promote thought about plastic steel. Don't get me wrong, I think it is wonderful stuff.
 
Todd
 
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