Return-Path: Received: from [24.25.9.100] (HELO ms-smtp-01-eri0.southeast.rr.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c3) with ESMTP id 852341 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 01 Apr 2005 21:52:03 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=24.25.9.100; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from edward2 (cpe-024-074-185-127.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.185.127]) by ms-smtp-01-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j322pGLw018860 for ; Fri, 1 Apr 2005 21:51:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000d01c5372e$dcf9d130$2402a8c0@edward2> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Well, I bought an RX-8 Engine.... Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 21:51:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C53704.F3E5D5D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C53704.F3E5D5D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, I believe Tracy mentions taking out the thermal pellet and placing = a hollow tube of a certain length (the push rod on the pellet then has = nothing to push against as its simply pushing into the hole of the tube. = OR you can make/purchase a solid plug. Apparently the type of main = pulley you have has an effect on exactly how long it should be - its = been too long and I forget the details. I think Tracy summarized the = styles and methods - so you may be able to find it if you do a search of = the Archive files of this list. Ed ----- Original Message -----=20 From: George Lendich=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 9:24 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Well, I bought an RX-8 Engine.... Ed, Thanks mate! The mechanics tell me that the bypass pellet is mainly for emission = control, however it keeps it from the rotors, it's keeping it from the = bearings as well - which is a concern! I notice some high performance machines take out the bypass valve and = plug the hole - seems like a good idea. I remember that there was a Tracy Crook modification but can't = remember what it was or what it did exactly? George ( down under) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ed Anderson=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 8:55 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Well, I bought an RX-8 Engine.... Hi George, Don't know about the RX-8 engine, but simply taking out the thermal = pellet in the Rx-7 engine (without replacing it with a plug) will fry = your rotors. The plug is open when the engine first is started to keep = the oil away from the rotors so they get up to operating temps (read = less noxious emissions temps) quickly. As the engine/oil heats up then = the pellet closes a hole in the e shaft which stops the oil from = draining away from the rotors and now forces it to be sprayed inside the = rotors. The Rx-8 could be different I suppose, but I doubt it. Ed A ----- Original Message -----=20 From: George Lendich=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 5:25 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Well, I bought an RX-8 Engine.... Dave and All, I couldn't find that area on Tracy's site and as the Series 6 has = tapered bearing on the stationary gears, I'm wondering of the RX8 has = gone that way also. Secondly, what again, is Tracy's modification for the thermal = pellet - I'm wondering if I can do without the thermal pellet = completely. George ( down under) I do not know the compatibilities between year models for the = starters across the RX line... =20 To use Tracy's RD-1 Series PSRU's, you need the 86-91 auto = tranny flex plate, and the starter is from the 86-91 Manual trans, = normally aspirated, engine. You may check with a parts house to see how = many different choices there really are.. but if it will fir the 91 NA = MT, it will fit the RD. =20 Double check with Tracy, but I believe the same eccentric shaft = is used in the RX-8 (according to tracy's travails on his webpage at = www.rotaryaviation.com (what's new section). So.. same eshaft means same = thermal pellet. =20 Dave Bill Dube wrote: I believe you will need a starter=20 from an RX-7 engine to use with Tracy's RD -1C. =20 Is this so? What year(s)? Is the auto starter different from = the manual? =20 Does the RX-7 thermal pellet plug work, or is the RX-8 = different? Thanks again, in advance :^) (Note non-bouncing emoticon above) >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html =20 >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C53704.F3E5D5D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, I believe Tracy mentions taking = out the=20 thermal pellet and placing a hollow tube of a certain length (the push = rod on=20 the pellet then has nothing to push against as its simply pushing into = the hole=20 of the tube.  OR you can make/purchase a solid plug.  = Apparently the=20 type of main pulley you have has an effect on exactly how long it should = be -=20 its been too long and I forget the details.  I think Tracy = summarized the=20 styles and methods - so you may be able to find it if you do a search of = the=20 Archive files of this list.
 
Ed
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 George=20 Lendich
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 = 9:24=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Well, = I bought=20 an RX-8 Engine....

Ed,
Thanks mate!
The mechanics tell me that the = bypass=20 pellet is mainly for emission control, however it keeps it from = the=20 rotors, it's keeping it from the bearings as well - which is a=20 concern!
I notice some high performance = machines take out=20 the bypass valve and plug the hole - seems like a good = idea.
I remember that there was a Tracy = Crook=20 modification but can't remember what it was or what it did=20 exactly?
George ( down under)
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ed Anderson
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Saturday, April 02, = 2005 8:55=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Well, I bought=20 an RX-8 Engine....

Hi George,
 
Don't know about the RX-8 engine, = but simply=20 taking out the thermal pellet in the Rx-7 engine (without replacing = it with=20 a plug)  will fry your rotors.  The plug is open when the = engine=20 first is started to keep the oil away from the rotors so they get up = to=20 operating temps (read less noxious emissions temps) quickly.  = As=20 the engine/oil heats up then the pellet closes a hole in = the e=20 shaft which stops the oil from draining away from the rotors and now = forces=20 it to be sprayed inside the rotors.
 
The Rx-8 could be different I = suppose, but I=20 doubt it.
 
Ed A
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 George Lendich
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Friday, April 01, = 2005 5:25=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Well, I=20 bought an RX-8 Engine....

 Dave and All,
I couldn't find that area on = Tracy's site and=20 as the Series 6 has tapered bearing on the stationary gears, I'm = wondering=20 of the RX8 has gone that way also.
 
Secondly, what again, = is Tracy's=20 modification for the thermal pellet - I'm wondering if I can do=20 without the thermal pellet completely.
George ( down under)
I=20 do not know the compatibilities between year models for the = starters=20 across the RX line...
 
To use Tracy's RD-1 Series = PSRU's,=20 you need the 86-91 auto tranny  flex plate, and the starter = is from=20 the 86-91 Manual trans, normally aspirated, engine. You may = check with a=20 parts house to see how many different choices there really are.. = but if=20 it will fir the 91 NA MT, it will fit the = RD.
 
Double check=20 with Tracy, but I believe the same eccentric shaft is used in = the RX-8=20 (according to tracy's travails on his webpage at www.rotaryaviation.com = (what's=20 new section). So.. same eshaft means same thermal=20 pellet.
 
Dave

Bill Dube wrote:
 I believe you will need a starter
from an RX-7 engine to use with Tracy's RD -1C. =20

Is this so?  What year(s)? Is = the auto=20 starter different from the manual?
 
Does the RX-7 = thermal=20 pellet plug work, or is the RX-8 different?

Thanks = again, in=20 advance :^)

(Note non-bouncing emoticon = above)
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