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From: "Eric Ruttan" <ericruttan@chartermi.net>
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
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Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Copyright
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 22:42:52 -0500

I like Paul.  Most all of us have our heart in the right place, and act an
ass quite well, and he is no exception.

My learned colleague, Mr. Barber is actually an attorney.  Please do not
hold that against him.

I suggest that Copyright is a misnomer.  It is to protect profit, not ideas.
Even Patents do not protect ideas, in fact just the oppisite, you put the
idea into the public domain, in return for short term profit protection.
This is a power granted to the feds in the constitution.  It is "To promote
the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to
Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and
Discoveries."

Is "the Progress of Science and useful Arts" harmed if we send copies of
these drawings?

Further I suggest sharing any artwork in the discussion of any idea surely
is square in the middle of fair use.

And finaly "plagiarism is when you copy" and take credit for anyone elses
work.

Eric

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christopher Barber" <CBarber@TexasAttorney.net>
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 1:51 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Copyright


> Actually, if I remember correctly, a copyright is pretty much set just by
> its creation as opposed to a patent which can have a more lengthy process.
> Copyrights can be difficult to prove and defend.  Usually, it must be
> unique...not just compilation of research and others ideas in a prettier
> form. However, if I am not mistaken, this unnamed person attaches a
> copyright notice to most of the drawings, but he does so in what I think
> (IIRC) is Russian.  Take a look at the obscure symbols on most his
> renderings.  However, he is voluntarily placing them in a public forum
(even
> if the public forum is his, he has invited the folks to the forum. An
> analogy would be a shopping mall. A mall is private property but with
public
> access. As such a mall looses some of its "private" rights.  Also, as
> someone stated, he tends to not mind using many sources to post on the
site,
> such as the NACA papers often posted (even though his misdeed could be
> limited enough and may not be relevant to others purported misdeeds).
>
> Remember, there is a difference between plagiarism and
> research....plagiarism is when you copy from one source......research is
> when you copy from many.  I thank the many from which I am gaining
RESEARCH
> material from.  Including our unnamed person.  Oh, also, be sure to cite
> sources;-)
>
> Now a person should protect their intellectual property, but a little more
> formal procedures should be used, IMHO.  This is akin to discussing ideas
> with friends around a hangar and then being pissed off that someone
actually
> used your suggestion.  Don't throw it out for all and then get upset when
> all know about it.  Also, as mentioned no one is doing so for economic
gain.
> AFAIK.  It is for our own education and amusement. Also, what can he do?
> Who would he sue...the entire rotary community.....Mazda <g> and for what;
> money, an injunction?  IMHO (gee, and I thought I attended law school and
> passed the bar for nothing. Of course this is NOT my area and to quote
> Dennis Miller..."I could be wrong")
>
> Finally, maybe someone is really trying to screw Pau....., I mean, the
> unnamed person over and he is not pissed at our use of his stuff by
bothered
> by someone with true underhanded intent.  We do not really know the entire
> story.
>
> Oh, keep drooling and shoving this kind of stuff to your friendly
> neighborhood attorneys to help you with.  After all I have an airplane to
> build and my salary as a cop just doesn't meet all my aviation dreams....I
> still gotta work as an attorney too.  Both are great and fun
careers....but
> in TOTALLY different ways <g>.
>
> The whole thing strikes me as sadly amusing.
>
> All the best,
>
>
> Chris
>