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From: "Christopher Barber" <CBarber@TexasAttorney.net>
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Copyright
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:51:25 -0600
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Actually, if I remember correctly, a copyright is pretty much set just by
its creation as opposed to a patent which can have a more lengthy process.
Copyrights can be difficult to prove and defend.  Usually, it must be
unique...not just compilation of research and others ideas in a prettier
form. However, if I am not mistaken, this unnamed person attaches a
copyright notice to most of the drawings, but he does so in what I think
(IIRC) is Russian.  Take a look at the obscure symbols on most his
renderings.  However, he is voluntarily placing them in a public forum (even
if the public forum is his, he has invited the folks to the forum. An
analogy would be a shopping mall. A mall is private property but with public
access. As such a mall looses some of its "private" rights.  Also, as
someone stated, he tends to not mind using many sources to post on the site,
such as the NACA papers often posted (even though his misdeed could be
limited enough and may not be relevant to others purported misdeeds).

Remember, there is a difference between plagiarism and
research....plagiarism is when you copy from one source......research is
when you copy from many.  I thank the many from which I am gaining RESEARCH
material from.  Including our unnamed person.  Oh, also, be sure to cite
sources;-)

Now a person should protect their intellectual property, but a little more
formal procedures should be used, IMHO.  This is akin to discussing ideas
with friends around a hangar and then being pissed off that someone actually
used your suggestion.  Don't throw it out for all and then get upset when
all know about it.  Also, as mentioned no one is doing so for economic gain.
AFAIK.  It is for our own education and amusement. Also, what can he do?
Who would he sue...the entire rotary community.....Mazda <g> and for what;
money, an injunction?  IMHO (gee, and I thought I attended law school and
passed the bar for nothing. Of course this is NOT my area and to quote
Dennis Miller..."I could be wrong")

Finally, maybe someone is really trying to screw Pau....., I mean, the
unnamed person over and he is not pissed at our use of his stuff by bothered
by someone with true underhanded intent.  We do not really know the entire
story.

Oh, keep drooling and shoving this kind of stuff to your friendly
neighborhood attorneys to help you with.  After all I have an airplane to
build and my salary as a cop just doesn't meet all my aviation dreams....I
still gotta work as an attorney too.  Both are great and fun careers....but
in TOTALLY different ways <g>.

The whole thing strikes me as sadly amusing.

All the best,


Chris

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From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On
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Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:40 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Copyright


Copyright my butt. There is a lengthy process to copyright anything.
I just discovered a commercial web site using many photographs I made for a
customer. The bottom line is I can't do much about it even if he is using
them for commercial gain.
After all we are in the same HOBBY. We should all pull his beard next rotary
gathering :)
Buly

On 3/30/05 11:03 AM, "David Staten" <Dastaten@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Apparently the operator of another rotary engine list, one that deals
> with a lot of "rhino" drawings and theory,  is upset that some of his
> drawings have been circulated on this or other lists...   and is
> exerting his copyrights..
>
> He goes on to state "everything you see here is copyrighted". I can
> understand that may apply to stuff HE contributes.. but what if its text
> or intellectual property submitted by another (such as his
subscribers?)...
>
> bull? legit? opinions?
>
> Dave


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