Return-Path: Received: from misav07.sasknet.sk.ca ([142.165.20.171] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c3) with ESMTP id 812073 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 00:27:25 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=142.165.20.171; envelope-from=hjjohnson@sasktel.net Received: from thyme.sasktel.net ([142.165.20.198]) by misav07 with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 23:26:36 -0600 Received: from jarretpb17surw (hsdbwb206-163-241-185.sasknet.sk.ca [206.163.241.185]) by thyme.sasktel.net (SaskTel eMessaging Service) with ESMTPA id <0IDM0069YXSCKH@thyme.sasktel.net> for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 23:26:36 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 23:26:34 -0600 From: Jarrett & Heidi Johnson Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Electric water pump To: Rotary motors in aircraft Message-id: <02d101c52d0d$61c14cd0$b9f1a3ce@jarretpb17surw> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_EVS7sFrh4tNZOm104+VEfQ)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_EVS7sFrh4tNZOm104+VEfQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Ken I to can atest to them. I used to fly skydivers [C-182] and we = regularly flew formation loads so there would be 8 divers in the air = instead of just 4. On the climb we'd fly formation right through to the = drop and then break off. We used to play around a bit, switching sides, = trail, abreast etc. I've flown through the vortices and it definatly = comes off the tips as they roll you the opposite direction depending = which side your on. Also an interesting note, if your closer they have = less effect rather than if your a couple hunder feet behind. When we = came up to the drop we'd tuck in as tight as we where comfortable with. = The trail a/c flew slightly behind and lower so the jumpers could see = the jumper exit the first plane. However if you didn't tuck in close = enough.. you heard about it back on the ground as it took extra time for = the jumpers to get together. Basically the same thing as what Rusty's = picture show's. I wish I had some pic's .. that was definatly the most = fun part about that job [that and yanking and banking into the pattern = to get down as fast as poss.] unfortuantly there wasn't time to take = them as I had my hands full :-) Jarrett Johnson I was there too. Made a REAL BELIEVER out of me. Small airplanes do = have wake turbulence; Probably off the prop wake IMHO; others seem to = think wing tip vortices. For those who weren't there: at Tracy'sin = 2002 (I think), Finn started his takeoff run soon after ED had lifted = off; as he (Finn) 'rotated' the aircraft rolled left (hard) and the left = wingtip lightly brushed the ground. Scared me silly; Finn had no idea = how close he came to ???????. Ken Powell=20 Bryant, Arkansas=20 501-847-4721 --Boundary_(ID_EVS7sFrh4tNZOm104+VEfQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Ken I to can atest to them. I used to fly skydivers [C-182] and we regularly flew formation loads so there would be 8 divers in the air instead of just 4. On the climb we'd fly formation right through to the drop and then break off. We used to play around a bit, switching sides, trail, abreast etc. I've flown through the vortices and it definatly comes off the tips as they roll you the opposite direction depending which side your on. Also an interesting note, if your closer they have less effect rather than if your a couple hunder feet behind. When we came up to the drop we'd tuck in as tight as we where comfortable with. The trail a/c flew slightly behind and lower so the jumpers could see the jumper exit the first plane. However if you didn't tuck in close enough.. you heard about it back on the ground as it took extra time for the jumpers to get together. Basically the same thing as what Rusty's picture show's. I wish I had some pic's .. that was definatly the most fun part about that job [that and yanking and banking into the pattern to get down as fast as poss.] unfortuantly there wasn't time to take them as I had my hands full :-)

Jarrett Johnson

I was there too. Made a REAL BELIEVER out of me. Small airplanes do have wake turbulence; Probably off the prop wake IMHO; others seem to think wing tip vortices. For those who weren't there: at Tracy'sin 2002 (I think), Finn started his takeoff run soon after ED had lifted off; as he (Finn) 'rotated' the aircraft rolled left (hard) and the left wingtip lightly brushed the ground. Scared me silly; Finn had no idea how close he came to ???????.

Ken Powell
Bryant, Arkansas
501-847-4721

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