Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #18697
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: SAG Report
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:11:12 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Hi Dave,
 
Its been know  for quite some time (Tracy Crook first identified the problem several years ago and cause) that the SAG is definitely caused by the spark plugs.  Change the spark plugs and the problem goes away immediately. Up to this point there is no conjecture - it works every time!
I have had it happen a number of times early-on and initially though it was an intermittent problem with my fuel injection system due to the dropping EGTs and lost of power - until Tracy mentioned the cause and cure. In this case,  It is definitely not caused by the ignition system settings.
 
Now the rest is conjecture on my part - but is my BEST GUESS of what is happening.  Alternative explanations are welcomed!
 
The SAG is apparently caused by the build up of carbon/lead on the center ceramic electrode - which causes the electrical energy to "bleed" off before the sufficient voltage potential can develop to cause the spark to jump the gap at the electrodes.  You can clearly see the ceramic completely covered to the point it appears black with carbon/lead which we know causes a "fouled" plug. 
 
(as a side note - I should have changed the plugs before the trip but got pressed for time and failed to do so, thinking I had a few more hours on them.)
 
Stick in a new sparkplug set with clean ceramic cone at you can fly more than 100 hours with no-lead/mogas or approx 20-30 hours if you use 100LL avgas (at least that is my experience).   Cleaning the electrode should also work and I have a bunch of plugs that are waiting to be cleaned, but since they are not $$ aircraft sparkplugs, just have not gotten around to doing so.
 
My conclusion is that since the symptoms are the same as a piston engine with excessive retarded ignition timing that is essential what is happening in this case.  However, in this NOT a case of the ignition timing being excessively retarded by the ignition system setting.
 
Here is my BEST GUESS of what may be happening.
 
We know that  higher compression causes a tougher problem for the spark ignition - it takes more voltage to jump the gap under high compression condition than lower compression (may sound counterintuitive - but its been proven).  So normally we expect the spark to be timed such that it fires when the compression is high so we get best combustion efficiencies.  But, that is also the point that puts the most demand on the ignition system.  So when the ceramic cone becomes coated with sufficient carbon/lead, it bleeds off the electrical energy precluding the voltage build up sufficient to get the spark jumping the electrode gap at its intended timing point (at/near the point of highest compression).  However, as the rotor continues to rotate past the point of intended ignition the pressure now starts to drop considerably - it finally reaches a point where the remaining electrical energy IS able to jump the gap (due to the lower compression pressure) and the fuel mixture starts to burn.
 
However, because you are past the optimum point for converting the burning fuel into mechanical energy the energy instead ends up as additional heat which is not blasted out the exhaust as it is normally because the pressures never get to the normal levels.  The burn fuel instead ends up adding to the heat load of the oil and coolant. (My speculation about why my temps were elevated during the SAG and the exhaust temps drop)
 
Could be wrong of course - but that is my best guess about what is happening.  While my explanation may be incorrect, there is no question that the spark plugs are the source of the SAG problem and the cure and it is NOT the settings of the ignition system timing (but it does acts as if the ignition system setting is too retarded). 
 
The problem is probably compounded by the type of spark plug used.  The standard 13B plug is shrouded which makes it harder for combustion gasses to have a cleaning effect on the ceramic cone - compounded by the fact that the sparkplug is recessed into the rotor housing (to keep the apex seals from being damaged by an electrode sticking down into the combustion chamber) - so both factors probably amplify the problem.  There are some "unshrouded" spark plugs that have been mentioned and used by Racers which may  extend the interval before the SAG happens, but I have not yet tried them.
 
Anyhow, Dave, that is my speculation about what is happening. 
 
Best Regards
 
Ed
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 7:12 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: SAG Report

So.. did the overtemp cause the SAG? or did the SAG cause the overtemp? What is causing the over-retarded timing (programming I am assuming)...
 
Best Guesses are fine as long as they are identified as such...

About how many hours had these plugs been running since last swap..?
 
Dave

Ed Anderson wrote:
Hi Folks
 
Just got back from Florida where spent weekend with Tracy and Laura.  Tracy and I flew to the Leeward Ranch RV Flyin on Saturday.  On the way there I encountered the worst case of spark plug "SAG" ever.  We were cruising at 4500 MSL when the old EGT started south dropping from around 1650 to below 1400 F.  First on the rear rotor then on the front rotor.  Most of the time it only happens on one rotor at a time and will frequently go away after a few minutes  - not this time.
 
I began getting a little concerned when both rotors were in SAG and seemed content to remain there.  I tried backing off the throttle, switching injector sets on and off with no avail.  This had been going on for several minutes (longer than normal) when I noticed something I had never noticed before - either because the SAG had never remained that long on both rotors OR simply had not scan the oil and coolant temps in previous sags.
 
In any case, I was surprised to find the oil at 190F and the coolant a 210F when with the OAT and power setting I was carrying they should have both been around 165-170F.  So it clearly looked like the same symptoms as overly retarded ignition timing.   This must have lasted approx 15 minutes or more.  Finally on let down to the Flying location the SAG went away and temps came down.
 
So on the ground I took out the sparkplugs and it was clear the ceramic white center was completely coated in lead/carbon - you could see the lead crystal glint in the sun.  Both leading and trailing look about the same - there was little to no detectable wear on the electrodes just the ceramic cone black.
 
Installed new spark plugs and flew it back to Tracy's and on home today without further incident. 
 
Just wanted to pass this on because it can sure cause you to think you may have fuel system problems when in reality its the spark plugs - especially for any of you using Avgas as I do.
 
Had a great weekend (as always) with the Crooks and was happy to join them both at a birthday dinner for Laura's father on Saturday evening. 
 
Best Regards
 
Ed
 
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com

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