Return-Path: Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.207] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c2) with ESMTP id 777785 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 01:58:40 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.138.207; envelope-from=Lehanover@aol.com Received: from Lehanover@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id q.d6.220eff8b (4262) for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 01:57:53 -0500 (EST) From: Lehanover@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 01:57:53 EST Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Mixture Settings To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 In a message dated 3/9/2005 7:25:12 PM Central Standard Time, bob@bob-white.com writes: << Thanks Bill, So my belief that I need to run richer for the high power settings on the rotary is incorrect? I have Tracy's EC2 so will have to set the operating mixture. That reminds me, I haven't bought the bung for the O2 sensor yet (for the EM2). Bob W. >> Looking at some dyno sheets, I think the point is that best power on the rotary is also rich of peak EGT. The sheet does not show peak EGT because there is less power there and that is not the point of dynoing the engine. Peak can get into the 1700 + degrees area and best power is well rich of that. The air fuel would be into the 14s for that EGT, and on paper for a piston engine that may be ideal for economy, even piston engines make best power just rich of peak EGT but just a bit rich of. It is a very bad idea to run that close to peak. Most manuals specify a rate of flow for takeoff power. This may be as high as 23 GPM for an engine that can cruise at 14 GPM. Look in a handbook. That fuel flow is well rich of peak EGT, and is not the correct mixture for best power. Best power is leaner (closer to peak EGT). The piston engine needs the richer mixture on take off to slow combustion speeds to avoid detonation, and add a dash of fuel cooling. This also reduces CHT and exhaust valve temps. Here are two similar bridge ported 12As at best torque. This is much higher RPMs than a stock 13B. TW1 7,600 RPM 149.2 foot pounds. 216.2 HP. EGT-1 1478. EGT-2 1502. BSFC .656. Oil pressure 88.6. A/F 12.9. TW2 7,800 RPM 154.3 foot pounds. 229.4 HP. EGT-1 1518. EGT-2 1503 BSFC .666. Oil pressure 99.8. A/F 12.3. The NA engine is just about immune to detonation. So the good reason for lower EGTs is apex seal life. So there is no reason to go through Max EGT at full throttle. You could tune based on EGT, or 02 or a bit of both. Once at cruise you could flip to the other controller (Tracy's) and already be lean of peak. The EGT would just drop a bit without going through peak. Just some ideas. Lynn E. Hanover