Return-Path: Received: from relay03.roc.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.166] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c2) with ESMTP id 761880 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 15:37:04 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.133.182.166; envelope-from=canarder@frontiernet.net Received: from filter04.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (filter04.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.71]) by relay03.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15BBA358131 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:36:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay03.roc.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.166]) by filter04.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (filter04.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.71]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09001-04-81 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:36:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (67-137-89-39.dsl2.cok.tn.frontiernet.net [67.137.89.39]) by relay03.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B2B53580A5 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:36:18 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <42222F3F.3080207@frontiernet.net> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 14:36:15 -0600 From: Jim Sower User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040514 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: [FlyRotary]Belt rumnations; soliciting Opinions of racers please.... References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0508-3, 02/25/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20040701 (2.0) at filter04.roc.ny.frontiernet.net Al,
I made a quick analysis from facts obtained elsewhere. I surmised that PL was right about the 10 hp at high rpm because I've heard that number from so many sources over the years. How considerably off do you think PL was and why? I seem to recall that PL's case against EWP was that since water pumps require 10 hp, you'd need a 10 hp motor to drive the EWP. As for the 0.1 hp of EWP, I'm pretty sure someone on this list that's using one reported that his EWP draws about 5 amps in operation. Starting from there, the math is pretty straightforward.
Anyway, I'm a believer until I hear something really compelling ... Jim S.

Al Gietzen wrote:

The case for EWP for example is performance.  PL insisted that an EDWP absorbs over 10 hp at 6000 rpm.  He is probably damned close.  He then made the unfortunate leap that therefore an EWP must absorb the same power.  Not true.  EWP conservatively absorbs 14V x 5 A = 70 W =~ 0.1 hp.  He was off by about two orders of magnitude or about 9.9 hp.  Don't know about you  but I can always use an extra 9.9 hp.
 
PL may have been considerably off; but at .1hp with the EWP you will be getting only a fraction of the flow of the belt driven pump; even if it were 100% efficient.  Keep in mind that converting power into electricity is about 85% efficient, as is converting electricity back into power. 0.85 x 0.85 = 0.72; so you have lost 28% of the power in the process.  Pumping coolant against even a small pressure head takes power.  Any ‘performance improvement’ you may see with EWP vs belt driven pump comes from lower flow rate.  
Al
 
  
 
  
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