Return-Path: Received: from fed1rmmtao04.cox.net ([68.230.241.35] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c2) with ESMTP id 761696 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:20:19 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.230.241.35; envelope-from=ALVentures@cox.net Received: from BigAl ([68.7.14.39]) by fed1rmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050227181929.QHDZ15592.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@BigAl> for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:19:29 -0500 From: "Al Gietzen" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Belt rumnations; Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:19:37 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c51cf8$e56d9b80$6400a8c0@BigAl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 > PL may have been considerably off; but at .1hp with the EWP you will = be > getting only a fraction of the flow of the belt driven pump; even if = it were > 100% efficient. =20 But, Al, that's the whole point. The stock pump is designed=20 to provide adequate cooling in stop-and-go traffic; it wastes=20 a lot of energy at cruise RPM. If the losses due to conversion=20 are 25%, that still a *net* 7.4 HP gain - nothing to sneeze at. =20 --------------- Dale; Stop and go driving has less of a cooling load than does continuous 75% power. More likely the pump has been designed to come close to handling = the cooling for WOT operation at any rpm. =20 One of my concerns in the overall design of the cooling system was = whether or not the pump would provide adequate flow rate for a near optimum = cooling system design. It turned out that it "just" does. Yes, there will be = some excess flow at cruise because we have to design for full power climb, = and I'd estimate that excess about a hp; probably about equal to the power conversion losses. There isn't time or reason to go over all the factors again, I guess it = is all in the archives. My conclusion is that there probably are reasons = for going to EWP, but in an airplane application; performance improvement = isn't one of them. The lower flow rates can be offset by larger radiator = volume (and weight), but we don't really know whether the higher delta T is a = good thing for the engine. You're free to draw a different conclusion. Al