Return-Path: Received: from smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.65] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c2) with ESMTP id 756537 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:22:16 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.65; envelope-from=Dastaten@earthlink.net Received: from [24.238.206.130] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1D44st-00063m-Kc for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:21:31 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:X-Accept-Language:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Z7H7EfIoS0dqjPas9sf9xC+LjB7/KIWINOzEbws45Po9pbcmG4+5krmWCL9B6sMq; Message-ID: <421D01AC.9090600@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 16:20:28 -0600 From: David Staten User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Mogas and cheap avgas locations ... References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 9a30bff84e6cb88f95c85d38d22416599ef193a6bfc3dd48be8d1993f398d3d7c62438169d308c55dfe6209a9096b523350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.238.206.130 Jim... I take very little pleasure in finding myself "right" in this discussion. I think that much of the issue is that places with major avgas contracts and who sell branded AvGas are prohibited by that contract from providing mo-gas. I'm only repeating what I've heard, not what I know for a fact. I wonder if a field in the Houston area could be convinced to somehow offer it, that the fuel would be worthwhile to market... and get enough volume to make it at LEAST a break-even affair.

Dave

Jim Sower wrote:

And now, ... the REST of the story ...
As I said, I got 19 hits searching for Mogas fields within 200 nm from Nashville.
5 - I couldn't get hold of (3 might have had an area code change)
4 of the remaining 14 no longer sell Mogas (usually stopped within the past year). All of those cited low volume (like low 100's per month), short shelf life and poor cold wx performance as reasons.
8 (and a short grass strip) still sell Mogas. Highest one moves 3000 gal / year. Most don't do more than about 100 gal / mo. Many complained about shelf life and cold wx performance. Price when delivered in short loads for tank wagon wasn't all that less expensive than Avgas ($0.50). One guy had lots of local interest but no transient clientele except during OSH week.

Looks like if you mean to use Mogas, you're going to get stuff with a poor shelf life that's been in that 300-gal storage tank for quite a while.

Not a happy situation. Nothing at all like I expected ... Jim S.

David Staten wrote:
Maybe I am expecting too much, but I make the assumption that if the prices aren't actually listed on Airnav, then they aren't isnterested in selling it, or dont have it to begin with. I'm not to the flying part yet with regards to Mogas, so I don't have the pressing urge to further my research yet.

On a side note, maybe I'm just spoiled, but I've noticed that much of my flying tends to end up in fairly large airports that have an attended desk, crew car or rentals available on site (without reservations), a paved road leading to the airport (smirk) and usually end up as a result being close to an approach control or tower. Over 25% of my 400 hours is at night, and most of the places I fly to after dark tend to be major places (i.e. guaranteed to be open and full service at that hour).

Don't get me wrong.. I plan to start burning lots of Mogas in the near future, I am just not sure how much of it I will be buying on my typical cross country legs... I would be interested in seeing the updated list.. particularly if you check out things in the SE US... not just SC.. but on the way to FL to visit Tracy as well :P. If Destin FL sold mogas, everything would be primo.. because I like to stop there for lunch anyways.

Dave

Jim Sower wrote:

Interesting. I searched for anything within 200 nm of Nashville. I got about 20 hits. Two were unpaved - one 2000', one 2200'). Of the rest (paved), only two were under 3500'. I am conducting my own survey, and after I've called them all, I'll update you on prices and whether or not they actually do have Mogas. I have flight planning software, so I sorted the list I got by state and keyed in all the IDs and came up with a route to all of them. My software (FliteSoft '98 version) has a feature that I can right click on any waypoint and all the info on it is displayed. So it only takes me minutes to figure out state by state where I want to stop along my route. I could figure out waypoints every 120 nm or so and search for Mogas within 100 nm from them and have a 200 nm wide corridor with all Mogas sites displayed. A few phone calls confirm availability and hours of operation. If you're one-legging it from HOU to SC I guarantee you're overflying over a dozen Mogas sites.
Seems simple and reliable enough to me ... Jim S.
  
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