Return-Path: Received: from relay02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.165] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c2) with ESMTP id 755492 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:38:07 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.133.182.165; envelope-from=canarder@frontiernet.net Received: from filter07.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (filter07.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.74]) by relay02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A7453702E3 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 04:37:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.165]) by filter07.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (filter07.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.74]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28817-05-97 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 04:37:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (67-137-89-39.dsl2.cok.tn.frontiernet.net [67.137.89.39]) by relay02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4263A3701A2 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 04:37:21 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <421C087A.8000707@frontiernet.net> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 22:37:14 -0600 From: Jim Sower User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040514 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Mogas and cheap avgas locations ... References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0508-1, 02/22/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20040701 (2.0) at filter07.roc.ny.frontiernet.net Interesting. I searched for anything within 200 nm of Nashville. I got about 20 hits. Two were unpaved - one 2000', one 2200'). Of the rest (paved), only two were under 3500'. I am conducting my own survey, and after I've called them all, I'll update you on prices and whether or not they actually do have Mogas. I have flight planning software, so I sorted the list I got by state and keyed in all the IDs and came up with a route to all of them. My software (FliteSoft '98 version) has a feature that I can right click on any waypoint and all the info on it is displayed. So it only takes me minutes to figure out state by state where I want to stop along my route. I could figure out waypoints every 120 nm or so and search for Mogas within 100 nm from them and have a 200 nm wide corridor with all Mogas sites displayed. A few phone calls confirm availability and hours of operation. If you're one-legging it from HOU to SC I guarantee you're overflying over a dozen Mogas sites.
Seems simple and reliable enough to me ... Jim S.

David Staten wrote:

I want to contribute my 2 cents to this thread... A while back I did an informal sample of Avweb.. something on the order of a coast to coast trip with a WIDE swath of fueling sites with Mogas. What I discovered was that many places that listed mogas on their information did not list prices of their Mogas.. which led me to believe they really may NOT have it. Another thing I noticed is that by and large, the places with mogas are mom-and-pop airpark or rural strips with minimal support facilities listed or minimal nearby infrastructure. Hours of operation may be limited and night ops are not dependable. The strips may not be paved.

My usual modus operandi is to head into an airport situated AT or near Class B and C surface areas.. park at the FBO and snag a rental car or get picked up and go hit the town/event in question. Don't get me wrong, I will go to and enjoy the grassroots stuff that people on here like to do, but I joined up with Chris to reap the benefits of a fast crosscountry plane that will be flying mainly into improved/paved strips of 3000 ft or more.

What I am basically saying is (for MY average mission profile) which is cross country to major population centers is that it is not practical for me to do the kind of flying that I intend to do and DEPEND on mogas for sole source fueling. A more realistic eventuality for me is to 1) tanker mogas in the plane (full tanks on departure and making a roundtrip on one tankful) 2) have limited mogas refueling at select destinations (have several transfer tanks at Uncle Kens in SC and several more at *insert relative of choice*) 3) buy avgas on the long trips. Home fueling is already a foregone conclusion that a transfer tank built into the back of the Ford Truck is a necessity.

I am expecting the Velocity to have a full fuel "radius of action" of 400-450 miles.. thats a lot of territory, and thats actually the majority of the places I will visit REGULARLY. The SC relative would be well worth paying a few bucks one time to keep some plastic wheeled marine transfer tanks in the shed for me and breaking them out for the regular visit. Truth is, Charleston from Houston is really pushing "tanks to DRY" range as planned, so a stop halfway to stretch the legs and splash maybe 10-15 gals of avgas is what is called for.

The list is nice, and it may come in handy for me someday. It may be EXACTLY what someone else may need, but before you make the mental "marraige" to "mogas only" take step back and see just exactly how practical that is for your specific mission, plane and plan of action. It may match perfectly... or not be practical.
John Slade wrote:
Thank you John.  This is EXACTLY what I needed.
    
You're welcome. See - an APB wasn't really needed. :)

Also see the attached spreadsheet, in case you don't have it. I'd appreciate
it if you'd make updates as & when you get better info.

  
  
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