Return-Path: Received: from smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.65] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c2) with ESMTP id 753923 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 01:57:34 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.65; envelope-from=Dastaten@earthlink.net Received: from [24.238.206.130] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1D3TyR-0004TB-M6 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 01:56:47 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:X-Accept-Language:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=YtIBME0DIeMDvX2iK7meg9DdrDlx0viq5lbKH0kGmn9NzQNUrI3D6fcwSX+isKH6; Message-ID: <421AD7A8.5010001@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 00:56:40 -0600 From: David Staten User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Mogas and cheap avgas locations ... References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060703010900060807070405" X-ELNK-Trace: 9a30bff84e6cb88f95c85d38d22416599ef193a6bfc3dd483c4afac94a71e6bb50fd809e2f0274dd5af2f0520a031d2f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.238.206.130 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060703010900060807070405 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I want to contribute my 2 cents to this thread... A while back I did an informal sample of Avweb.. something on the order of a coast to coast trip with a WIDE swath of fueling sites with Mogas. What I discovered was that many places that listed mogas on their information did not list prices of their Mogas.. which led me to believe they really may NOT have it. Another thing I noticed is that by and large, the places with mogas are mom-and-pop airpark or rural strips with minimal support facilities listed or minimal nearby infrastructure. Hours of operation may be limited and night ops are not dependable. The strips may not be paved. My usual modus operandi is to head into an airport situated AT or near Class B and C surface areas.. park at the FBO and snag a rental car or get picked up and go hit the town/event in question. Don't get me wrong, I will go to and enjoy the grassroots stuff that people on here like to do, but I joined up with Chris to reap the benefits of a fast crosscountry plane that will be flying mainly into improved/paved strips of 3000 ft or more. What I am basically saying is (for MY average mission profile) which is cross country to major population centers is that it is not practical for me to do the kind of flying that I intend to do and DEPEND on mogas for sole source fueling. A more realistic eventuality for me is to 1) tanker mogas in the plane (full tanks on departure and making a roundtrip on one tankful) 2) have limited mogas refueling at select destinations (have several transfer tanks at Uncle Kens in SC and several more at *insert relative of choice*) 3) buy avgas on the long trips. Home fueling is already a foregone conclusion that a transfer tank built into the back of the Ford Truck is a necessity. I am expecting the Velocity to have a full fuel "radius of action" of 400-450 miles.. thats a lot of territory, and thats actually the majority of the places I will visit REGULARLY. The SC relative would be well worth paying a few bucks one time to keep some plastic wheeled marine transfer tanks in the shed for me and breaking them out for the regular visit. Truth is, Charleston from Houston is really pushing "tanks to DRY" range as planned, so a stop halfway to stretch the legs and splash maybe 10-15 gals of avgas is what is called for. The list is nice, and it may come in handy for me someday. It may be EXACTLY what someone else may need, but before you make the mental "marraige" to "mogas only" take step back and see just exactly how practical that is for your specific mission, plane and plan of action. It may match perfectly... or not be practical. John Slade wrote: >>Thank you John. This is EXACTLY what I needed. >> >> >You're welcome. See - an APB wasn't really needed. :) > >Also see the attached spreadsheet, in case you don't have it. I'd appreciate >it if you'd make updates as & when you get better info. > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>> >>> --------------060703010900060807070405 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I want to contribute my 2 cents to this thread... A while back I did an informal sample of Avweb.. something on the order of a coast to coast trip with a WIDE swath of fueling sites with Mogas. What I discovered was that many places that listed mogas on their information did not list prices of their Mogas.. which led me to believe they really may NOT have it. Another thing I noticed is that by and large, the places with mogas are mom-and-pop airpark or rural strips with minimal support facilities listed or minimal nearby infrastructure. Hours of operation may be limited and night ops are not dependable. The strips may not be paved.
 
My usual modus operandi is to head into an airport situated AT or near Class B and C surface areas.. park at the FBO and snag a rental car or get picked up and go hit the town/event in question. Don't get me wrong, I will go to and enjoy the grassroots stuff that people on here like to do, but I joined up with Chris to reap the benefits of a fast crosscountry plane that will be flying mainly into improved/paved strips of 3000 ft or more.
 
What I am basically saying is (for MY average mission profile) which is cross country to major population centers is that it is not practical for me to do the kind of flying that I intend to do and DEPEND on mogas for sole source fueling. A more realistic eventuality for me is to 1) tanker mogas in the plane (full tanks on departure and making a roundtrip on one tankful) 2) have limited mogas refueling at select destinations (have several transfer tanks at Uncle Kens in SC and several more at *insert relative of choice*) 3) buy avgas on the long trips. Home fueling is already a foregone conclusion that a transfer tank built into the back of the Ford Truck is a necessity.
 
I am expecting the Velocity to have a full fuel "radius of action" of 400-450 miles.. thats a lot of territory, and thats actually the majority of the places I will visit REGULARLY. The SC relative would be well worth paying a few bucks one time to keep some plastic wheeled marine transfer tanks in the shed for me and breaking them out for the regular visit. Truth is, Charleston from Houston is really pushing "tanks to DRY" range as planned, so a stop halfway to stretch the legs and splash maybe 10-15 gals of avgas is what is called for.
 
The list is nice, and it may come in handy for me someday. It may be EXACTLY what someone else may need, but before you make the mental "marraige" to "mogas only" take step back and see just exactly how practical that is for your specific mission, plane and plan of action. It may match perfectly... or not be practical.
John Slade wrote:
Thank you John.  This is EXACTLY what I needed.
    
You're welcome. See - an APB wasn't really needed. :)

Also see the attached spreadsheet, in case you don't have it. I'd appreciate
it if you'd make updates as & when you get better info.

  

  
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