Return-Path: Received: from fed1rmmtao10.cox.net ([68.230.241.29] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c1) with ESMTP id 744640 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:48:54 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.230.241.29; envelope-from=daveleonard@cox.net Received: from smtp.west.cox.net ([172.18.180.57]) by fed1rmmtao10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with SMTP id <20050218184808.TJTE510.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:48:08 -0500 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.15 (webedge20-101-1103-20040528) From: To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Water in the fuel Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:48:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050218184808.TJTE510.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> When well mixed with the fuel, water does not create a problem. It is only when the water separates out and displaces the fuel that there is a problem. With the high flow fuel systems we have (unless you are using a returnless system), there is no need to drain the fuel on preflight. Any accumulated water will get sent back to the tank and mixed with the fuel. I never drain my fuel. I even took out the drain plugs. JMHO, Dave Leonard > > Fine, but what kind of filters are you using and where are they in the > system? Gascolator is NOT a suitable substitute for a filter. > I have a "flat bottomed" sump on my Velocity, and water DOES accumulate > in it. My fuel line to the pumps is cheated up off the bottom of the > tank half an inch and there's a test drain in the bottom of the sump to > check for water. One of these days I'm going to make a little "blister" > in the bottom of the sump where water will accumulate so I can get it > ALL out without removing the sump and shaking it for twenty minutes. > It all counts, and some of it counts /against /us ... Jim S. > > Paul wrote: > > > Hi, Wendell....I use the gascolator for a couple of reasons. I cannot > > check my aluminum sump tank. It is sealed. Since the EFI pumps are > > located lower than the sump tank, it would be more logical to check > > for water at the lowest point in the fuel system. The fuel goes from > > the sump tank to the gascolator, which is the lowest point in the fuel > > system. I like the gascolator because it has a screen to catch debris > > that might have found it's way to the EFI pumps, and the gascolator > > has a fuel drain on the bottom of it so that I can check for water at > > the lowest point in the system. I don't think the sump would > > catch the water, as the outlet from the sump is on the bottom of the > > sump, and water should go right on through the sump tank to the > > gascolator and EFI pumps, which are the lowest point in the fuel > > system. I thought this was the best way to design a gravity fed fuel > > system....everything downhill and a fuel drain at the lowest point. > > Please correct me if I am in error. Paul looking for a Cessna Conner > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Wendell Voto > > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > > *Sent:* Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:59 AM > > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Vapor Lock > > > > Paul, > > Why use a gasolator if you have a sump tank with the outlet a > > couple inches off the bottom of the sump? Won't the sump tank > > catch the water and a strainer stop the big stuff. The sump is > > checked before each flight and a gasolator isn't. Go straight to > > the FP then thru a fuel filter and then the fuel rail. Eliminates > > the restriction, weight and connections to leak. I am beginning to > > lean towards in-tank pumps with built in strainer since all this > > has come to light. > > Wendell > > > > Hi, Kelly....the efi pumps are the last item before the fuel > > rail and fuel pressure regulator. Here is the basic system... > > The fuel in the main tanks goes downhill to the fuel selector. > > Fuel then goes downhill again through the Facet pump into the > > top of the sump tank. Fuel then comes out of the bottom of the > > sump tank through the gascolator into the EFI pump(s), then to > > the fuel rail with fuel pressure regulator attached, then that > > returned fuel goes back into the top of the sump tank. That > > is the complete system. Take care. 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