Return-Path: Received: from tomcat.al.noaa.gov ([140.172.240.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c1) with ESMTP id 743056 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:55:11 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=140.172.240.2; envelope-from=bdube@al.noaa.gov Received: from PILEUS.al.noaa.gov (pileus.al.noaa.gov [140.172.241.195]) by tomcat.al.noaa.gov (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id j1HHsPsX026211 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:54:25 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20050217102231.01b5bb98@mailsrvr.al.noaa.gov> X-Sender: bdube@mailsrvr.al.noaa.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:54:10 -0700 To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" From: Bill Dube Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Battery voltage (was: Racetech RV6A Forced Landing) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Most folks don't understand batteries well. Even the tech support folks at the battery manufacturer often are poorly trained. Here is the real scoop: >>> Deep Cycle <<< Deep cycle batteries are the best selection if you tend to drain down the battery on a regular basis. Sailboats, forklifts, and electric cars do this. They run from the batteries for hours and then charge them back up when they are half discharged or more. Generally, when the vehicle is in use, the battery is NOT being charged. >>>Starting <<< Starting batteries are best to use if you hardly ever deeply drain your battery. Cars, and airplanes tend to only lightly discharge the battery between charges. Generally, when the vehicle is in use, the battery is being charged. The deep cycle batteries are optimized to allow repeated deep cycles, at the expense of peak power output and cold weather performance. The starting batteries are optimized for peak power output, especially in cold weather, at the expense of deep cycle lifespan. If you live in a warm climate, a deep cycle battery might be a good choice for you airplane. If you live in a cold climate, a deep cycle battery might be a poor choice for your airplane, because you might have trouble starting it in cold weather. There are 4 main factors that cause a battery to wear out: 1) Sulfation. This comes from not fully charging the battery for long periods of time. As the lead sulfate builds up, it reduces the capacity and power of the battery. 2) Paste degradation. When you discharge and charge the battery, the paste contracts and expands. This causes it to mechanically disintegrate. (Vibration also causes this in flooded batteries, but not in AGM sealed batteries.) The battery loses electrical contact with the disintegrated paste and loses capacity. 3) Grid corrosion. When you charge a battery, oxygen is produced. This oxygen corrodes the support structure of the battery (grids) that hold the paste and conduct the electricity. The battery loses power and eventually, capacity. 4) Electrolyte loss. In a seal battery, there is no way to add electrolyte. When you fully charge a battery (as you must to prevent sulfation) some of the electrolyte is lost. This leads to a reduction in capacity, and eventually a reduction in power. The manufacturer selects the charging specifications based on the best compromise between these wear mechanisms. Everything you do activates one or more of these wear mechanisms. If you charge a battery "properly" it is a balance between them all that results in the longest battery life and best performance over that life. At 05:38 PM 2/16/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Alex Madsen wrote: > >>It seems to me people should be using deep cycle marine batteries for >>there aircraft. A deep cycle marine battery will give much better and >>longer performance with a dead alternator. >> >> >I don't think that's true, Alex, unless by 'dead alternator' you're >referring to the guy with getthereitis who quick charges a low battery to >get juice to get to a destination when he has a known alternator problem. > >When a battery isn't charged, the acid eats the lead and the resultants >gunk drops to the bottom of the battery where it can never be reconverted >back to a usable state through the charging process. The deep cycle >batteries avoid this problem by not exposing all of the lead to the >acid. Some still gets eaten away when the battery is completely >discharged, but the lead plate is thick enough not to care. It doesn't >hold any more electrons is store, and since there is less contact area >between the plates and acid, it offers more resistance when the terminals >are shorted (which is what happens when you throw the starter switch). > >They are more robust (as far as charging regime is concerned), but carry a >weight penalty. A much better solution is a well maintained electrical >system, and a trickle charger at the hangar. > >>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html