Return-Path: Received: from relay02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.165] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c1) with ESMTP id 727887 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:24:43 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.133.182.165; envelope-from=canarder@frontiernet.net Received: from filter04.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (filter04.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.71]) by relay02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37C8B370107 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 05:23:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.165]) by filter04.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (filter04.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.71]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02613-83-20 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 05:23:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (67-137-75-55.dsl2.cok.tn.frontiernet.net [67.137.75.55]) by relay02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 288783700F3 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 05:23:56 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <421035EA.7040103@frontiernet.net> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:23:54 -0600 From: Jim Sower User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040514 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Heretic! References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030204050900030903020709" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0506-1, 02/11/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20040701 (2.0) at filter04.roc.ny.frontiernet.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030204050900030903020709 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think the forum format is great - when it works. If all the posts were posted to the proper category so one could ignore the categories he was interested in it would fine. Sadly, my limited experience indicates that all the threads occur in one or two catch-all categories so it's the same rooting through everything as on a list. It has to be a lot more secure and virus free and of course a lot more spam-proof (folks aren't going to harvest address lists). Now that I think about it, that right there is a compelling reason to switch ... Jim S. Ed Anderson wrote: >Wheers the stiks and farwood, Vern? I thunk we'se has us herein a Heritic. > >I belong to a couple of web forums, John. No question they have some nice >features, but old dogs, new trick. I find I spend more time on this form - >not certain its because it takes longer to read through all the stuff >because we lack some of the features, you mentioned - or I just like the >manner of exchange and folks better here. > >But, in any case, I remember when this list was started by Marv as a >"alternative" list for the rotary fliers and I guess in my opinion it seems >to work fine for the most part. I think the "more advanced web types" >might find it somewhat crude and constrained, but for most of us it does the >job. I really would not like to see the "rotary community" divided again - >but, that's just my view on the topic. > >Okkk, Vernn - brung out the torch! I's got thu wood stack'n around the >varmit. > >Ed A > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Slade" >To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" >Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 9:30 PM >Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Bandwidth/Netiquitte Issue.. "reply to all" > > > > >>All, >> >> >>>I am speaking only for myself, but I archive every single post and see >>>very little reason to have duplicates of ANY post >>> >>> >>You're not alone. I'm sure most of us keep a local copy of every single >>post. >>Like me, you probably rarely look at it because it isn't easy to find >> >> >stuff. > > >>What a waste! >> >> >> >>>Every time Paul Conner posts, we get some sort of attachment that says >>> >>> >>there's no virus. >>As Rusty says, this is reason 473 why mail lists are the Lycosaurus of >>electronic communication. >> >> >> >>>web forums are so vastly superior to mail lists in this day and age. >>> >>> >>Sorry. I can't pass up an opportunity like this. Here we are, struggling >>with unwanted attachments and extra copies, fighting html, top or bottom >>posting, archiving our own copies, and emailing our email addresses to >>hundreds of virus vulnerable computers 50 times a day. Are we all nuts? >>There's good technology out there. Let's use it. >> >>I help manage the canard forum at http://canardaviationforum.dmt.net >>The majority of members are rotary enthusiasts. The forum is running on a >>member's business server and he maintains it for free. There's lots of >> >> >free > > >>space. While the main forum is for pilots who fly the "Wright" way, it's >>trivial to add a section dedicated to Fly-Rotary. I just did. It can be >>found at http://canardaviationforum.dmt.net/forumdisplay.php?f=59 >> >>Now let me be plain - I read this mail list 4 times a day or more, and I >>find the information and the camaraderie here very very valuable. I also >>read the canard forum and the Cozy list. This means I have to sift through >> >> >a > > >>bunch of irrelevant text to be sure I don't miss anything important. A few >>decades ago, around the time they came out with the 2nd gen 13B, someone >>invented a concept called "Threads". They can be made sticky, moved, >> >> >updated > > >>and organized hierarchically for easy access. You can edit/correct your >>posts (what a concept!) and set it up so you get an email when a thread >>you're interested in gets a posting. The WIKI idea, while commendable, is >> >> >a > > >>poor representation of 1/10 of the features of a forum. Come on, guys - >>let's do it right, and all in one place! >> >>The last thing I want to do is cause trouble, get excommunicated for >> >> >heresy, > > >>or split up this wonderful group, but I just can't see a valid reason to >>keep struggling with old technology. We don't do it with our airplanes. >> >> >Why > > >>do it with our computers? The perfect solution, in my humble opinion, >> >> >would > > >>be for everyone reading this message to log into the above forum address, >>create an ID, and start communicating effectively from here on. >> >>Anyone with me? >> >>John (running and ducking for cover) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>>> >>>> > > > > > >>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>> >>> > > > > --------------030204050900030903020709 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think the forum format is great - when it works.  If all the posts were posted to the proper category so one could ignore the categories he was interested in it would fine.  Sadly, my limited experience indicates that all the threads occur in one or two catch-all categories so it's the same rooting through everything as on a list.  It has to be a lot more secure and virus free and of course a lot more spam-proof (folks aren't going to harvest address lists).

Now that I think about it, that right there is a compelling reason to switch ... Jim S.

Ed Anderson wrote:
Wheers the stiks and farwood, Vern?  I thunk we'se has us herein a Heritic.

I belong to a couple of  web forums, John.  No question they have some nice
features, but old dogs, new trick.  I find I spend more time on this form -
not certain its because it takes longer to read through all the stuff
because we lack some of the features, you mentioned - or I just like the
manner of exchange and folks better here.

But, in any case, I remember when this list was started by Marv as a
"alternative" list for the rotary fliers and I guess in my opinion it seems
to work fine for the most part.  I think  the  "more advanced web types"
might find it somewhat crude and constrained, but for most of us it does the
job.   I really would not like to see the "rotary community" divided again -
but, that's just my view on the topic.

Okkk, Vernn - brung out the torch! I's got thu wood stack'n around the
varmit.

Ed A


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Slade" <sladerj@bellsouth.net>
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 9:30 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Bandwidth/Netiquitte Issue.. "reply to all"


  
All,
    
I am speaking only for myself, but I archive every single post and see
very little reason to have duplicates of ANY post
      
You're not alone. I'm sure most of us keep a local copy of every single
post.
Like me, you probably rarely look at it because it isn't easy to find
    
stuff.
  
What a waste!

    
Every time Paul Conner posts, we get some sort of attachment that says
      
there's no virus.
As Rusty says, this is reason 473 why mail lists are the Lycosaurus of
electronic communication.

    
web forums are so vastly superior to mail lists in this day and age.
      
Sorry. I can't pass up an opportunity like this. Here we are, struggling
with unwanted attachments and extra copies, fighting html, top or bottom
posting, archiving our own copies, and emailing our email addresses to
hundreds of virus vulnerable computers 50 times a day. Are we all nuts?
There's good technology out there. Let's use it.

I help manage the canard forum at http://canardaviationforum.dmt.net
The majority of members are rotary enthusiasts. The forum is running on a
member's business server and he maintains it for free. There's lots of
    
free
  
space. While the main forum is for pilots who fly the "Wright" way, it's
trivial to add a section dedicated to Fly-Rotary. I just did. It can be
found at http://canardaviationforum.dmt.net/forumdisplay.php?f=59

Now let me be plain - I read this mail list 4 times a day or more, and I
find the information and the camaraderie here very very valuable. I also
read the canard forum and the Cozy list. This means I have to sift through
    
a
  
bunch of irrelevant text to be sure I don't miss anything important. A few
decades ago, around the time they came out with the 2nd gen 13B, someone
invented a concept called "Threads". They can be made sticky, moved,
    
updated
  
and organized hierarchically for easy access. You can edit/correct your
posts (what a concept!) and set it up so you get an email when a thread
you're interested in gets a posting. The WIKI idea, while commendable, is
    
a
  
poor representation of 1/10 of the features of a forum. Come on, guys -
let's do it right, and all in one place!

The last thing I want to do is cause trouble, get excommunicated for
    
heresy,
  
or split up this wonderful group, but I just can't see a valid reason to
keep struggling with old technology. We don't do it with our airplanes.
    
Why
  
do it with our computers?  The perfect solution, in my humble opinion,
    
would
  
be for everyone reading this message to log into the above forum address,
create an ID, and start communicating effectively from here on.

Anyone with me?

John (running and ducking for cover)








    
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