Return-Path: Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.64] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.8) with ESMTP id 619941 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:37:38 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.152.59.64; envelope-from=sqpilot@bellsouth.net Received: from [209.214.45.165] by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.11 201-253-122-130-111-20040605) with ESMTP id <20050124203704.VIED1983.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@[209.214.45.165]> for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:37:04 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [265.7.3]); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:36:59 -0600 Message-ID: <019301c50254$731101d0$a52dd6d1@paul52u7f5qyav> From: "Paul" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Battery load test Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:36:57 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-41F55C6B1553=======" --=======AVGMAIL-41F55C6B1553======= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0190_01C50222.28579820" ------=_NextPart_000_0190_01C50222.28579820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Mark....Glad you found the brochure....I would love to have it. = Paul Conner, 5181 Southern Oaks Trail, Grand Bay, AL 36541 Thanks so = much. Paul Conner ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark R Steitle=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 2:29 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Battery load test Paul, The starter on my a/c, like many/most homebuilts, is powered through a = main battery relay (looks like a Ford "fender-mount" starter relay). If = the starter sticks, opening the main battery relay should interrupt = power to the starter, along with everything else on that circuit. This = isn't an issue on my design as I have installed the extra starter relay. = =20 =20 BTW, I ran across the sales brochure for the Speed Queen yesterday. = Send me an email with your home address if you would like me to send it = to you. I still haven't found the video though. =20 =20 Mark S. =20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] = On Behalf Of Paul Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 1:20 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Battery load test =20 Hi, Mark....unfortunately, I am presently working as a heavy truck = mechanic (18 wheelers), and I have been on many a road call where the = starter was stuck engaged.On a few units, once I disconnected the = batteries (4 of them) the starter would be OK to use again. On two of = the trucks, I could not get to them in time, and it burned the wiring = harness so badly that the whole harness had to be replaced. The other = tractor burned to the ground. Melted all the tires, all windows gone, = all fiberglass hood and fender parts melted....not a pretty picture.=20 I have a quick disconnect on the negative terminal on my motor = home so that if the starter solenoid should hang up, I can simply open = the blade-style switch and disconnect the battery. Hopefully I will = never need it, but it's nice to know it's there just in case. I have = been looking at the various battery switches/quick disconnects at West = Marine, and have been considering one for my aircraft. Heck, it's = convenient jus to be able to quick-disconnect the battery when working = on the panel, fuel pumps, spark plugs/wires, etc. Just a thought. Paul = Conner ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark R Steitle=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 8:47 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Battery load test =20 Wendell, There is some benefit to using a starter relay in addition to the = starter solenoid. The argument is that this arrangement will keep the = fat wire going to the starter from being always hot. Also, I've heard = stories of starter solenoids sticking with no way to stop the starter = until it runs the battery dead. Not sure I buy that argument though. I = tied my alternator B+ wire to the battery terminal on the solenoid = (mounted on firewall) rather than running it all the way back to the = battery (in the tail). I also picked up on the same B+ terminal to = provide power to the Main Power Buss. This saved about 25' of heavy = gauge wire, offsetting the weight of the solenoid. =20 Mark S. =20 =20 =20 Refering to the battery going directly to the starter, most all = starters with built in solinoids are so wired. I remember having a = starter to hang on occasion and drain the battery or ruin the starter. = Is it practicle to use a relay in conjunction with the starter/solenoid = set up? 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Hi, Mark....Glad you found the = brochure....I would=20 love to have it.  Paul Conner, 5181 Southern Oaks Trail, Grand Bay, = AL=20 36541   Thanks so much.  Paul Conner
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mark R Steitle =
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 = 2:29=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Battery load=20 test

Paul,

The starter = on my=20 a/c, like many/most homebuilts, is powered through a main battery = relay (looks=20 like a Ford =93fender-mount=94 starter relay).  If the starter = sticks,=20 opening the main battery relay should interrupt power to the starter, = along=20 with everything else on that circuit.  This isn=92t an issue on = my design=20 as I have installed the extra starter relay. =20     

 

BTW, I ran = across the=20 sales brochure for the Speed Queen yesterday.  Send me an email = with your=20 home address if you would like me to send it to you.  I still = haven=92t=20 found the video though. 

 

Mark=20 S.

 

 

From:=20 Rotary motors in aircraft = [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On=20 Behalf Of Paul
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 = 1:20=20 PM
To: = Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Battery load = test

 

Hi, = Mark....unfortunately, I am=20 presently working as a heavy truck mechanic (18 wheelers), and I have = been on=20 many a road call where the starter was stuck engaged.On a few units, = once I=20 disconnected the batteries (4 of them) the starter would be OK to = use=20 again.  On two of the trucks, I could not get to them in time, = and it=20 burned the wiring harness so badly that the whole harness had to be=20 replaced.  The other tractor burned to the ground. Melted all the = tires,=20 all windows gone, all fiberglass hood and fender parts melted....not a = pretty=20 picture. 

     =  I=20 have a quick disconnect on the negative terminal on my motor home so = that if=20 the starter solenoid should hang up, I can simply open the blade-style = switch=20 and disconnect the battery. Hopefully I will never need it, but it's = nice to=20 know it's there just in case.  I have been looking at the various = battery=20 switches/quick disconnects at West Marine, and have been considering = one for=20 my aircraft.  Heck, it's convenient jus to be able to = quick-disconnect=20 the battery when working on the panel, fuel pumps, spark plugs/wires,=20 etc.  Just a thought.  Paul=20 Conner

----- Original Message = -----=20

From: Mark R Steitle=20

To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20

Sent: Monday,=20 January 24, 2005 8:47 AM

Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Battery load=20 test

 

Wendell,

There is = some=20 benefit to using a starter relay in addition to the starter = solenoid. =20 The argument is that this arrangement will keep the fat wire going = to the=20 starter from being always hot.  Also, I=92ve heard stories of = starter=20 solenoids sticking with no way to stop the starter until it runs the = battery=20 dead.  Not sure I buy that argument though.  I tied my = alternator=20 B+ wire to the battery terminal on the solenoid (mounted on = firewall) rather=20 than running it all the way back to the battery (in the tail).  = I also=20 picked up on the same B+ terminal to provide power to the Main Power = Buss.  This saved about 25=92 of heavy gauge wire, offsetting = the weight=20 of the solenoid.

 

Mark=20 S.

 =20   

 

 

Refering to the battery = going directly=20 to the starter,  most all starters with built in solinoids = are so=20 wired.  I remember having a starter to hang on occasion and = drain the=20 battery or ruin the starter.  Is it practicle to use a relay = in=20 conjunction with the starter/solenoid set=20 up?

Wendell

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