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I;ve been to most, and the tops is Old Rheinbeck on the Hudson River in NY. Its a flying museum, the wwI planes really fly during the show.
BTW, those fantanstic (and expensive) fighters/bombers will never beat a terrorist with a bomb. Too bad.
Marc Wiese
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> From: "Michael D. Callahan" <micallahan@worldnet.att.net>
> Date: 2004/12/20 Mon PM 11:40:22 GMT
> To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: museum
> 
> I know I'm not Lyyn, but being in the business...
>     I haven't been to but one of these, but tops on my list would be Museum of Flight in Seattle, Smithsonian Air&Space, including the new Udvar-Hazy facility at Dulles, and USAF Museum at Dayton. Also worthy of mention, Museum of Naval Aviation in Pensacola, FL; Warner-Robbins in Macon, GA; (been to both of those, highly recommended) SAC museum in Omaha NB; Pima Air Museum, Pima AZ; Planes of Fame, Chino, CA; Fantasy of Flight, Polk City FL; Battleship Alabama Collection, Mobile AL.
>     If you find yourself down this way, drop by our humble little contribution to aviation history, the Southern Museum of Flight in Birmingham, AL. There's a BUNCH of aviation museums beyond this list, but those are the ones I would like to hit, if I wasn't always working at this one!  Mike C.
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: kenpowell@comcast.net 
>   To: Rotary motors in aircraft 
>   Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 5:15 PM
>   Subject: [FlyRotary] museum
> 
> 
>   OK Lynn, share with me - what are the top 3 airplane museums in the Continental US?  No kidding, that might be a really fun vacation!
>   Ken Powell
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>     > In a message dated 12/20/2004 1:01:19 PM Central Standard Time, 
>     > micallahan@worldnet.att.net writes: 
>     > 
>     > << Yeah, I was very suspect of the droop nose and the big windshield 
>     > myself. Not only that, why in the world would this "pilot" have her name on 
>     > the side of a prototype and why doesn't it have the usual twelve foot tall 
>     > letters of the model number (YF/A-37)? Forward swept elevons? I don't think 
>     > so. The clincher was the bottom pic with the guys in the foreground manning 
>     > a big movie camera. Mike C. 
>     > 
>     > 
>     > >> 
>     > 
>     > Not so fast there boys. That is an Air Force camera team. It won't be an "F" 
>     > anything until after acceptance testing is completed. It will be a YF 
>     > something until then. 
>     > 
>     > 
>     > 
>     > The canopy is the new Buckey strand reinforced Pyrex glass structure. The 
>     > nose raises up to streamline at cruise (mach 3.8 without AB) it droops for 
>     > landing like the Concord. The forward swept horizontals and the lack of 
>     > verticals is 
>     > part of the shock wave management system. The rudder works split strakes at 
>     > the wing tips to replicate rudder feel. There are rudder pedals so you can 
>     > overpower the computers for air shows and such. Normally the feet are in 
>     > stirrups 
>     > in the front of the seat pack. 
>     > The whole nose is the escape pod. Developed and tested to 40,000 feet by 
>     > Rutan's Scaled Composites people. The escape pod is flyable and has a range of 
>     > 50 
>     > statute miles. Powered by powdered nitril rubber and nitrous. It has auto 
>     > pilot and will auto track to the nearest friendly area before deploying the 
>     > chute. 
>     > 
>     > A picture of this thing got out, so they made up the movie story to cover it. 
>     > Now DOD has to front the movie to throw off the bad guys. It's been flying 
>     > between Tonopa and Groom Lake every night for a year. 
>     > 
>     > There is a guy on that mountain every night with a 16" reflector telescope 
>     > who says a C-5 leaves there at dusk and this thing lands blacked out around 
>     > midnight. His guess is that they either take it close by to launch it, or they 
>     > can 
>     > launch it right out the back door of the C-5. Pretty cool stuff. 
>     > 
>     > The one on the carrier was the third airframe. The first was the structures 
>     > test frame so it got bent and vibrated through two lifetimes. It will be 
>     > repaired and shipped to the AF Museum In Dayton next year. Although it can 
>     > launch 
>     > from a carrier it is not what the Navy wanted. So the Naval version will have 
>     > more wing area and a slightly lower cruise speed, and carry more ordnance. Air 
>     > frame three is all Air Force 
>     > 
>     > The first flight test airframe is back at Lockheed Burbank for repairs after 
>     > a fueling fire in October. This will be the follow on to the F-36, the one 
>     > that can hover. The F-36 replaces the F-22 that just formed its first squadron. 
>     > Some folks say this one can not only hover, but can leave unimproved locations 
>     > with full fuel and ordnance load, 
>     > by using dropable assist rocket motors in tubes along side the lift fans. 
>     > Same fans as the F-36. 
>     > 
>     > During this carrier event they were just firing those rockets one at a time 
>     > and filming the effect on the airframe from the epoxy based nonskid surface 
>     > that is used on all carriers. Also they placed various support equipment nearby 
>     > to see what effect that would suffer. 
>     > 
>     > How do I know this? 
>     > 
>     > 
>     > 
>     > 
>     > 
>     > 
>     > I don't. I just made it up. 
>     > 
>     > 
>     > 
>     > 
>     > 
>     > If you felt real proud there for a minute, 
>     > 
>     > Keep right on feeling proud. 
>     > 
>     > This kind of stuff is in the works right now. The looser in the flyoff that 
>     > the F-22 won is now at the Air Force Museum and it has the rudders laid down 
>     > almost flat just like the movie plane. The YF-23 I believe. It is just 
>     > beautiful. Long and snake like. And it flew real well. Just a bit too pricey. 
>     > 
>     > The F-36 really does hover, and is the replacement for the F-22. 
>     > 
>     > There is an F-22 at the Museum also. The one that crashed I suspect. Worth 
>     > the trip to Dayton. One of the top three airplane museums on earth. 
>     > 
>     > 
>     > This and much more, is coming soon to an air show near you. God bless America. 
>     > 
>     > 
>     > Lynn E. Hanover 
> 
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