Return-Path: Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.64] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.5) with ESMTP id 576285 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 23:31:26 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.152.59.64; envelope-from=sqpilot@bellsouth.net Received: from [209.214.45.142] by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.11 201-253-122-130-111-20040605) with ESMTP id <20041222043055.QHXA1992.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@[209.214.45.142]> for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 23:30:55 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.296 [265.6.3]); Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:30:50 -0600 Message-ID: <01ae01c4e7df$03227690$b6724ed8@paul52u7f5qyav> From: "Paul" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Atkins Rotary package Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:30:48 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-41C8F87A147B=======" --=======AVGMAIL-41C8F87A147B======= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01AB_01C4E7AC.B8690CE0" ------=_NextPart_000_01AB_01C4E7AC.B8690CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Roger....I purchased the Atkins Rotary Package, which consists of = all your fuel and ignition items to install on a rotary engine. It = included the MicroTech ECU with handheld programmer (actually mounted on = instrument panel rather than handheld), 4 Bosch ignition coils, crank = angle sensor, water temp sender, air temp sensor, spark plugs, ignition = wires, intake manifold, TWM throttlebody with fuel rail and injectors = already installed, intake manifold gasket, fuel pumps and fuel pump = relay, fuel pressure regulator, and all the other little items I can't = remember, which is everything you need to install on a rotary for fuel = and ignition. It is basically a "bolt on" setup for the rotary = challenged such as myself. Excellent instruction manual for the ECU with = pre-wired harness (plugs into the ECU on one end of the wire, and the = other end of the wires all have labels indicating where to attach them, = such as red to ignition coil #1, blue to throttle position sensor, etc). = I purchased it because I felt it saved me time and effort by having = everything selected and packaged up for me, so I didn't have to search = for compatable coils, wires, plugs, injectors, etc. Worked well for me = because someone else did all the research and put together a package I = could use. Cost was something like $2900.00. Another good choice is the ECU that Tracy Crook sells. He also = sells the engine monitor and PSRU (propeller speed reduction unit). Both = Tracy and Dave Atkins have flying rotary aircraft and are knowlegable. I = prefer to purchase from people that are actually flying what they sell. = If you go with Tracy's system, you will still have to build or buy an = intake manifold, throttlebody, fuel rail, injectors, coils, plugs and = wires, etc. Don't know how the pricing would compare after you buy = Tracy's setup and then buy the intake manifold, throttlebody, fuel rail, = injectors, plugs, etc. I believe with Tracy's setup you can use the = stock Mazda coils, although I believe you need to install a resistor on = the coils. With the Bosch coils, you do not need to install a resistor. = I found the MicroTech ECU very easy to install, and it has a nice = monitor built into the hand held controller. I have also seen Tracy's = engine monitor, and it appears to be a very nice unit, giving you most = everything you need to know about your engine on one screen.(On the = MicroTech screen, you only see 2 or 3 items at a time and have to scroll = up or down to see other screens). The MicroTech ECU I believe has more = things you can program into it, such as max rpm, max boost, injector = open/close timing etc, and also has data logging. On the other hand, = there are more people flying Tracy's system, so there is a larger group = of other builders to get assistance from. I hope I am correct regarding = Tracy's products. (Because I don't have them, I am not certain of their = features). If I am incorrect, I'm sure someone will assist and correct = me. I hope some of this info is helpful. Paul Conner, rotary powered = SQ2000 in Mobile, AL ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rmtnview@aol.com=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 8:59 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Atkins Rotary package=20 Hi group, I'm new to the list but have been here long enough to know = I'll put a rotary in my 801. I've seen mention of an "Atkins Rotary = package." Can someone point me toward a website or provide info on this = package? What, who, where, etc.? Thanks, rog Roger Osborne=20 1056 Old Glade Rd. Deep Gap, NC rmtnview@aol.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.3 - Release Date: 12/21/2004 ------=_NextPart_000_01AB_01C4E7AC.B8690CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, Roger....I purchased the Atkins Rotary Package, which consists = of all=20 your fuel and ignition items to install on a rotary engine. It included = the=20 MicroTech ECU with handheld programmer (actually mounted on instrument = panel=20 rather than handheld), 4 Bosch ignition coils, crank angle sensor, water = temp=20 sender, air temp sensor, spark plugs, ignition wires, intake manifold, = TWM=20 throttlebody with fuel rail and injectors already installed, intake = manifold=20 gasket, fuel pumps and fuel pump relay, fuel pressure regulator, and all = the=20 other little items I can't remember, which is everything you need to = install on=20 a rotary for fuel and ignition. It is basically a "bolt on" setup for = the rotary=20 challenged such as myself. Excellent instruction manual for the ECU with = pre-wired harness (plugs into the ECU on one end of the wire, and the = other end=20 of the wires all have labels indicating where to attach them, such as = red to=20 ignition coil #1, blue to throttle position sensor, etc).  I = purchased it=20 because I felt it saved me time and effort by having everything selected = and=20 packaged up for me, so I didn't have to search for compatable coils, = wires,=20 plugs, injectors, etc.  Worked well for me because someone else did = all the=20 research and put together a package I could use.  Cost was = something like=20 $2900.00.
     Another good choice is the ECU that Tracy = Crook=20 sells. He also sells the engine monitor and PSRU (propeller speed = reduction=20 unit). Both Tracy and Dave Atkins have flying rotary aircraft and are=20 knowlegable. I prefer to purchase from people that are actually flying = what they=20 sell.  If you go with Tracy's system, you will still have to build = or buy=20 an intake manifold, throttlebody, fuel rail, injectors, coils, plugs and = wires,=20 etc.   Don't know how the pricing would compare after you buy = Tracy's=20 setup and then buy the intake manifold, throttlebody, fuel rail, = injectors,=20 plugs, etc.  I believe with Tracy's setup you can use the stock = Mazda=20 coils, although I believe you need to install a resistor on the coils. = With the=20 Bosch coils, you do not need to install a resistor. 
      I found the MicroTech ECU very easy = to=20 install, and it has a nice monitor built into the hand held = controller.  I=20 have also seen Tracy's engine monitor, and it appears to be a very nice = unit,=20 giving you most everything you need to know about your engine on one = screen.(On=20 the MicroTech screen, you only see 2 or 3 items at a time and have to = scroll up=20 or down to see other screens).  The MicroTech ECU I believe has = more things=20 you can program into it, such as max rpm, max boost, injector open/close = timing=20 etc, and also has data logging.  On the other hand, there are more = people=20 flying Tracy's system, so there is a larger group of other = builders to=20 get assistance from.  I hope I am correct regarding Tracy's = products.=20 (Because I don't have them, I am not certain of their features). If I am = incorrect, I'm sure someone will assist and correct me.
     I hope some of this info is helpful. Paul = Conner,=20 rotary powered SQ2000 in Mobile, AL
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Subject: [FlyRotary] Atkins = Rotary=20 package

Hi group, I'm new to the list but have been here long enough to = know I'll=20 put a rotary in my 801. I've seen mention of an "Atkins=20 Rotary package." Can someone point me toward a website or provide info = on this=20 package? What, who, where, etc.? Thanks, rog
 
 
 
Roger=20 Osborne
1056 Old Glade Rd.
Deep Gap, NC
rmtnview@aol.com
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