Return-Path: Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.116] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.5) with ESMTP id 574684 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 18:37:03 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=204.127.131.116; envelope-from=micallahan@worldnet.att.net Received: from unknown (38.birmingham-04-05rs.al.dial-access.att.net[12.74.163.38]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with SMTP id <2004122023362611200lt229e>; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:36:27 +0000 Message-ID: <005401c4e6ed$478431e0$26a34a0c@unknown> From: "Michael D. Callahan" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] museum Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:40:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0051_01C4E6BA.FB6014A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C4E6BA.FB6014A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know I'm not Lyyn, but being in the business... I haven't been to but one of these, but tops on my list would be = Museum of Flight in Seattle, Smithsonian Air&Space, including the new = Udvar-Hazy facility at Dulles, and USAF Museum at Dayton. Also worthy of = mention, Museum of Naval Aviation in Pensacola, FL; Warner-Robbins in = Macon, GA; (been to both of those, highly recommended) SAC museum in = Omaha NB; Pima Air Museum, Pima AZ; Planes of Fame, Chino, CA; Fantasy = of Flight, Polk City FL; Battleship Alabama Collection, Mobile AL. If you find yourself down this way, drop by our humble little = contribution to aviation history, the Southern Museum of Flight in = Birmingham, AL. There's a BUNCH of aviation museums beyond this list, = but those are the ones I would like to hit, if I wasn't always working = at this one! Mike C. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: kenpowell@comcast.net=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 5:15 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] museum OK Lynn, share with me - what are the top 3 airplane museums in the = Continental US? No kidding, that might be a really fun vacation! Ken Powell -------------- Original message --------------=20 > In a message dated 12/20/2004 1:01:19 PM Central Standard Time,=20 > micallahan@worldnet.att.net writes:=20 >=20 > << Yeah, I was very suspect of the droop nose and the big = windshield=20 > myself. Not only that, why in the world would this "pilot" have = her name on=20 > the side of a prototype and why doesn't it have the usual twelve = foot tall=20 > letters of the model number (YF/A-37)? Forward swept elevons? I = don't think=20 > so. The clincher was the bottom pic with the guys in the = foreground manning=20 > a big movie camera. Mike C.=20 >=20 >=20 > >>=20 >=20 > Not so fast there boys. That is an Air Force camera team. It won't = be an "F"=20 > anything until after acceptance testing is completed. It will be a = YF=20 > something until then.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > The canopy is the new Buckey strand reinforced Pyrex glass = structure. The=20 > nose raises up to streamline at cruise (mach 3.8 without AB) it = droops for=20 > landing like the Concord. The forward swept horizontals and the = lack of=20 > verticals is=20 > part of the shock wave management system. The rudder works split = strakes at=20 > the wing tips to replicate rudder feel. There are rudder pedals so = you can=20 > overpower the computers for air shows and such. Normally the feet = are in=20 > stirrups=20 > in the front of the seat pack.=20 > The whole nose is the escape pod. Developed and tested to 40,000 = feet by=20 > Rutan's Scaled Composites people. The escape pod is flyable and = has a range of=20 > 50=20 > statute miles. Powered by powdered nitril rubber and nitrous. It = has auto=20 > pilot and will auto track to the nearest friendly area before = deploying the=20 > chute.=20 >=20 > A picture of this thing got out, so they made up the movie story = to cover it.=20 > Now DOD has to front the movie to throw off the bad guys. It's = been flying=20 > between Tonopa and Groom Lake every night for a year.=20 >=20 > There is a guy on that mountain every night with a 16" reflector = telescope=20 > who says a C-5 leaves there at dusk and this thing lands blacked = out around=20 > midnight. His guess is that they either take it close by to launch = it, or they=20 > can=20 > launch it right out the back door of the C-5. Pretty cool stuff.=20 >=20 > The one on the carrier was the third airframe. The first was the = structures=20 > test frame so it got bent and vibrated through two lifetimes. It = will be=20 > repaired and shipped to the AF Museum In Dayton next year. = Although it can=20 > launch=20 > from a carrier it is not what the Navy wanted. So the Naval = version will have=20 > more wing area and a slightly lower cruise speed, and carry more = ordnance. Air=20 > frame three is all Air Force=20 >=20 > The first flight test airframe is back at Lockheed Burbank for = repairs after=20 > a fueling fire in October. This will be the follow on to the F-36, = the one=20 > that can hover. The F-36 replaces the F-22 that just formed its = first squadron.=20 > Some folks say this one can not only hover, but can leave = unimproved locations=20 > with full fuel and ordnance load,=20 > by using dropable assist rocket motors in tubes along side the = lift fans.=20 > Same fans as the F-36.=20 >=20 > During this carrier event they were just firing those rockets one = at a time=20 > and filming the effect on the airframe from the epoxy based = nonskid surface=20 > that is used on all carriers. Also they placed various support = equipment nearby=20 > to see what effect that would suffer.=20 >=20 > How do I know this?=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > I don't. I just made it up.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > If you felt real proud there for a minute,=20 >=20 > Keep right on feeling proud.=20 >=20 > This kind of stuff is in the works right now. The looser in the = flyoff that=20 > the F-22 won is now at the Air Force Museum and it has the rudders = laid down=20 > almost flat just like the movie plane. The YF-23 I believe. It is = just=20 > beautiful. Long and snake like. And it flew real well. Just a bit = too pricey.=20 >=20 > The F-36 really does hover, and is the replacement for the F-22.=20 >=20 > There is an F-22 at the Museum also. The one that crashed I = suspect. Worth=20 > the trip to Dayton. One of the top three airplane museums on = earth.=20 >=20 >=20 > This and much more, is coming soon to an air show near you. God = bless America.=20 >=20 >=20 > Lynn E. Hanover=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C4E6BA.FB6014A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I know I'm not Lyyn, but being in the = business...
    I haven't = been to but=20 one of these, but tops on my list would be Museum of Flight in Seattle,=20 Smithsonian Air&Space, including the new Udvar-Hazy facility at = Dulles, and=20 USAF Museum at Dayton. Also worthy of mention, Museum of Naval Aviation = in=20 Pensacola, FL; Warner-Robbins in Macon, GA; (been to both of those, = highly=20 recommended) SAC museum in Omaha NB; Pima Air Museum, Pima AZ; = Planes of=20 Fame, Chino, CA; Fantasy of Flight, Polk City FL; Battleship Alabama = Collection,=20 Mobile AL.
    If you find yourself down this = way, drop by=20 our humble little contribution to aviation history, the Southern = Museum of=20 Flight in Birmingham, AL. There's a BUNCH of = aviation=20 museums beyond this list, but those are the ones I would like to hit, if = I=20 wasn't always working at this one!  Mike C.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 kenpowell@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 = 5:15=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] = museum

OK Lynn, share with me - what are the top 3 airplane museums in = the=20 Continental US?  No kidding, that might be a really fun = vacation!
Ken Powell
 
--------------=20 Original message --------------

> In a message dated = 12/20/2004=20 1:01:19 PM Central Standard Time,
> micallahan@worldnet.att.net=20 writes:
>
> << Yeah, I was very suspect of the = droop=20 nose and the big windshield
> myself. Not only that, why in = the world=20 would this "pilot" have her name on
> the side of a prototype = and why=20 doesn't it have the usual twelve foot tall
> letters of the = model=20 number (YF/A-37)? Forward swept elevons? I don't think
> so. = The=20 clincher was the bottom pic with the guys in the foreground manning =
>=20 a big movie camera. Mike C.
>
>
> >> =
>=20
> Not so fast there boys. That is an Air Force camera team. = It won't=20 be an "F"
> anything until after acceptance testing is = completed. It=20 will be a YF
> something until then.
>
> =
>=20
> The canopy is the new Buckey strand reinforced Pyrex glass=20 structure. The
> nose raises up to streamline at cruise (mach = 3.8=20 without AB) it droops for
> landing like the Concord. The = forward=20 swept horizontals and the lack of
> verticals is
> = part of the=20 shock wave management system. The rudder works split strakes at =
> the=20 wing tips to replicate rudder feel. There are rudder pedals so you = can=20
> overpower the computers for air shows and such. Normally = the feet=20 are in
> stirrups
> in the front of the seat pack. =
>=20 The whole nose is the escape pod. Developed and tested to 40,000 = feet by=20
> Rutan's Scaled Composites people. The escape pod is flyable = and has=20 a range of
> 50
> statute miles. Powered by powdered = nitril=20 rubber and nitrous. It has auto
> pilot and will auto track = to the=20 nearest friendly area before deploying the
> chute.
> =
>=20 A picture of this thing got out, so they made up the movie story to = cover=20 it.
> Now DOD has to front the movie to throw off the bad = guys. It's=20 been flying
> between Tonopa and Groom Lake every night for a = year.=20
>
> There is a guy on that mountain every night with a = 16"=20 reflector telescope
> who says a C-5 leaves there at dusk and = this=20 thing lands blacked out around
> midnight. His guess is that = they=20 either take it close by to launch it, or they
> can
> = launch=20 it right out the back door of the C-5. Pretty cool stuff.
> =
>=20 The one on the carrier was the third airframe. The first was the = structures=20
> test frame so it got bent and vibrated through two = lifetimes. It=20 will be
> repaired and shipped to the AF Museum In Dayton = next year.=20 Although it can
> launch
> from a carrier it is not = what the=20 Navy wanted. So the Naval version will have
> more wing area = and a=20 slightly lower cruise speed, and carry more ordnance. Air
> = frame=20 three is all Air Force
>
> The first flight test = airframe is=20 back at Lockheed Burbank for repairs after
> a fueling fire = in=20 October. This will be the follow on to the F-36, the one
> = that can=20 hover. The F-36 replaces the F-22 that just formed its first = squadron.=20
> Some folks say this one can not only hover, but can leave=20 unimproved locations
> with full fuel and ordnance load, =
> by=20 using dropable assist rocket motors in tubes along side the lift = fans.=20
> Same fans as the F-36.
>
> During this = carrier event=20 they were just firing those rockets one at a time
> and = filming the=20 effect on the airframe from the epoxy based nonskid surface
> = that is=20 used on all carriers. Also they placed various support equipment = nearby=20
> to see what effect that would suffer.
>
> How = do I=20 know this?
>
>
>
>
>
> =
> I=20 don't. I just made it up.
>
>
>
> =
>=20
> If you felt real proud there for a minute,
> =
> Keep=20 right on feeling proud.
>
> This kind of stuff is in = the works=20 right now. The looser in the flyoff that
> the F-22 won is = now at the=20 Air Force Museum and it has the rudders laid down
> almost = flat just=20 like the movie plane. The YF-23 I believe. It is just
> = beautiful.=20 Long and snake like. And it flew real well. Just a bit too pricey. =
>=20
> The F-36 really does hover, and is the replacement for the = F-22.=20
>
> There is an F-22 at the Museum also. The one that = crashed=20 I suspect. Worth
> the trip to Dayton. One of the top three = airplane=20 museums on earth.
>
>
> This and much more, is = coming=20 soon to an air show near you. God bless America.
>
> =
>=20 Lynn E. Hanover

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