Return-Path: Received: from [199.185.220.223] (HELO priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.5) with ESMTP id 572901 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 03:39:02 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=199.185.220.223; envelope-from=haywire@telus.net Received: from Endurance ([207.81.25.155]) by priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with SMTP id <20041219083819.YQEA7391.priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net@Endurance> for ; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 01:38:19 -0700 From: "Todd Bartrim" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Engine damage thoughts Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 00:38:23 -0800 Message-ID: <001b01c4e5a6$1ad51300$0201a8c0@Endurance> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C4E563.0CB4E040" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C4E563.0CB4E040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MessageHi Rusty; Given the fact that you're certain there was no seizure, I wouldn't hesitate to run it. I would still attempt to have an oil analysis done if possible. You say that you have no oil from the filter, but did you drain the pan? Even though most of the oil is missing from the pan, there should still be enough below the pick-up tube to drain. As the oil returns to the pan directly from the engine before going to the filter, I would expect that any possible metal debris would be in the bottom of the pan. Even if you did drain the oil, removal of the pan would still allow inspection for any heavy pieces that may not have drained. However if you have any missing pieces that are big enough to be found in this manner, then you would have likely heard that destruction as it happened. Do a proper compression check, oil check, put in a Mazda cooler, indulge in some fibreglass ductwork, then fire 'er up. Run a couple of hours on the ground, have oil checked again, then circle that airport. I'm betting that within a month you'll have it back in the air and you'll be tinkering with something else on it, trying for that 3000fpm climb. Todd Bartrim (thinking about how data logging would answer so many of Rusty's questions)(and ours :-) RV9Endurance 13B Turbo Rotary C-FSTB http://www3.telus.net/haywire/RV-9/C-FSTB.htm "The world will always have a place for those that bring hard work and determination to the things they do." ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C4E563.0CB4E040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Hi=20 Rusty;
    Given the fact that you're certain there was no = seizure, I=20 wouldn't hesitate to run it. I would still attempt to have an oil = analysis done=20 if possible. You say that you have no oil from the filter, but did you = drain the=20 pan? Even though most of the oil is missing from the pan, there should = still be=20 enough below the pick-up tube to drain. As the oil returns to the = pan=20 directly from the engine before going to the filter, I would expect that = any=20 possible metal debris would be in the bottom of the pan. Even if you did = drain=20 the oil, removal of the pan would still allow inspection for any heavy = pieces=20 that may not have drained. However if you have any missing pieces that = are big=20 enough to be found in this manner, then you would have likely heard that = destruction as it happened.
    Do a proper compression check, oil check, put = in a Mazda=20 cooler, indulge in some fibreglass ductwork, then fire 'er up. Run a = couple of=20 hours on the ground, have oil checked again, then circle that airport. = I'm=20 betting that within a month you'll have it back in the air and you'll be = tinkering with something else on it, trying for that 3000fpm=20 climb.
 
Todd Bartrim        = (thinking=20 about how data logging would answer so many of Rusty's questions)(and = ours=20 :-)
 
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13B Turbo Rotary
C-FSTB
http://www3.telus.= net/haywire/RV-9/C-FSTB.htm
 
          &nbs= p; =20 "The world will always have a place for those that bring hard work and=20 determination to the things they do."
   
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