Return-Path: Received: from [24.25.9.100] (HELO ms-smtp-01-eri0.southeast.rr.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.5) with ESMTP id 571101 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 11:48:51 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=24.25.9.100; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from edward2 (cpe-069-132-109-019.carolina.rr.com [69.132.109.19]) by ms-smtp-01-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id iBHGmHKk009535 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 11:48:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000d01c4e457$edf4fd40$2502a8c0@edward2> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Spectrunm Analysis was : [FlyRotary] Re: Dynamic balance Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 11:46:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine > Perry Mick wrote: > > I did that too way back when. I was told I need to run it's output > > through a spectrum analyzer. Audio frequencies so an audio spectrum > > analyzer would work. You could input to the audio card in a PC and use a > > PC audio spectrum analyzer. > > Ed, > > You were calculating the position of your discs by estimating the > temperature in the exhaust and such. Have you thought about using > Perry's method? Record the sound and analyze that to get the exhaust > frequencies that are actually present. It seems that it would also have > the advantage of telling precisely which ones were stongest and in need > of attenuation. > > > Ernest, Certainly worthwhile to consider if you have the equipment, but here is why I don't really think it matters too much. Its fairly easy to determine analytically what the fundamental exhaust frequencies will be - the primary frequency (fundamental) is dependent on your RPM. For 6000 rpm its 200 Hz (if both exhaust or combined) or 100HZ if you treat them separately. The first few harmonics are also pretty straight forward. What is not very amenable to just analysis is the strength (power level) of each frequency although we know the primary will be the strongest and they fade off from there. Not to say there is no value in spectrum analysis - but, in this case where your rpm (and therefore your frequency) is varying - not certain exactly what value going to this trouble would be. While the exhaust temp does affect the speed at which the wave travels down the tube - it has no affect on the repetition rate (rpm) of the exhaust pulse, the interval between pulses would be the same. Therefore your primary frequency is determined by rpm. Now true - there will be all sorts of harmonic frequencies other than the ones I've mentioned, but the energy in them compared to say the fundamental and second, third harmonic is pretty small. If I can deaden the fundamental and second harmonic of the fundamental I would be happy. Now, if you are trying to time the reflected pulse to return in time to help scavenge the combustion chamber then knowing the speed of the pulse (and therefore the time it takes to travel distance X ) is very important. But, unless I am missing something, I don't see what effect it has the exhaust repetition rate (frequency). Ed Anderson