Return-Path: Received: from mx2.grc.nasa.gov ([128.156.11.69] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.5) with ESMTP id 569691 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:15:43 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=128.156.11.69; envelope-from=Joseph.M.Berki@grc.nasa.gov Received: from lombok-fi.grc.nasa.gov (seraph4.grc.nasa.gov [128.156.10.13]) by mx2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AC27C2F1 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:15:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from apataki.grc.nasa.gov (apataki.grc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.35]) by lombok-fi.grc.nasa.gov (NASA GRC TCPD 8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBGDFAhJ015341 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:15:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by apataki.grc.nasa.gov (NASA GRC TCPD 8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGDFAQR024262 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:15:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from apataki.grc.nasa.gov ([127.0.0.1])by localhost (apataki.grc.n asa.gov [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024)with ESMTP id 19592-19 for ;Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:15:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from manihi.grc.nasa.gov (manihi.grc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.36])by a pataki.grc.nasa.gov (NASA GRC TCPD 8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGDEvbG024 202for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:14:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from GR7700013583.lerc.nasa.gov (gr7700013583.grc.nasa.gov [139.88 .139.62])by manihi.grc.nasa.gov (NASA GRC TCPD 8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBGDEvtx028582for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:14: 57 -0500 (EST) X-Info: ODIN / NASA Glenn Research Center Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20041216075548.010dc8d0@popserve.lerc.nasa.gov> X-Sender: scberki@popserve.lerc.nasa.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:14:56 -0500 To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" From: Joseph M Berki Subject: Cooling Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-imss-version: 2.0 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-approveListMatch: *@*.nasa.gov Each airframe has it's own design form, fit, function limitations for the cooling system. In the case of the Limo EZ, it is difficult to fit a Mazda oil cooler and a radiator with adequate volume. Proper ducting and two types of heat exchanges will inhibit airflow and cooling through the system. In searching for a radiator I found that NASCAR uses oil to air exchanges in conjunction with radiators to take care of cooling (C&R catalog). I know that this was talked about before. Tracy experimented with water cooling the oil pan. C&R integrates a 13 plate unit into the rad. There are also remote mounted, 22 plate external oil to water exchangers available. By using the available duct space for one rad, it could be 20" X 18" X 2.75"thick. The duct would have only one core to provide uniform airflow to. Any thoughts on this? Another observation; we use the 20" X 4" 2nd gen oil cooler successfully yet Mazda makes a 20" X 6.5" cooler for racing. Racing places more heat loads into the system then an aircraft application? Thanks for any help. Joe Berki Limo EZ