Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #13669
From: rijakits <rijakits@cwpanama.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Serious single rotor questions (serious??)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 21:07:40 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
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Sport Aviation Feb.'96. There was a report about a Canadian guy who ran a direct drive Subaru in a Dragonfly, turning the 54"-prop at 3800 rpm for cruise and up to 4500 rpm for high speed, obviously the tips are beyond mach 1.0 by then. However he reported excellent performance. ( I think he called his plane "Xpresso").
 
If you can incorporate an electric or manual/mechanical variable pitch system you should still be saving weight compared to a redrive.
 
You might even get away without variable pitch:
Also in Sport Aviation August '96  was a report about the Davis DA-9 record plane. Though the pilot was/is one of the smaller ones around and the Davis was custom built to his size. The plane was powered by a C-90 with 90hp. It goes 260mph, but take off is interesting as the prop is about stalled until 80 mph. The pilot doesn't push full power until 125 mph, when the prop will really start to bite. He starts the take-off roll with 2150 rpm and goes to 3150 rpm for a max speed run.
You might be able to use a way broader rpm range on your slingshot/fan/rotary.
 
On the other hand if a variable pitch is necessary I could shoot a couple of photos of our EC120 Tailrotor/Fan (or Fenestron as Eurocopter calls it). The mechanics look rather simple, the fan blades are all loose on the ground but tighten up when centrifugal force hits them. The fan runs around 4000 rpm, pitch is controlled  via a Teleflex cable and has no boost whatsoever, and doesn't need it.
The neat thing is you hardly hear it, in comparrison to a regular Tailrotor it is silent. EC does this with irregular spacing of the fanblades.
 
EC120b Fenestron
 
I suggest that a good balance job should be done, but I don't see why this could not be used for an airplane. Diameter is about 2 1/2 feet.
You want detailed photos of the works inside the hub, let me know!
I still need to find some references for unshrouded fan design though.......
Any ideas or hints?
 
Thomas Jakits
 
PS: I am serious!! Sometimes my ideas may sound outrageous, but I am not the smart inventor guy, I just remember when I saw a neat thing and try to check up on it and let everyone know who wants to listen.......
By the way, you should get a patent on your sound-proof hat!
 
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Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 6:06 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Serious single rotor questions (serious??)

to build a direct drive fan. I have one that I ground tested for 150 cycles at 6800 rpm with a tired 13B. It would be a snap to do a 100 mph fan. Mine's design point was for 250 mph with the inherent penalties as low speed.

I can send you a picture if you're interested.

Bernie

OK, hat's off, I'm listening :-) 
 
I'd love to see pictures of what you're talking about.  My uninformed understanding of "fans" was that they were good for cruise speed, but not climb thrust.  I just never imagined one running on a 40-100 mph plane, which is why I didn't take Thomas' post as seriously as maybe I should have.  Would it be lighter than a PSRU and prop?  Would it even fit on a SlingShot?  I just have no concept of what you're proposing, but I'm now mighty interested.
 
Thanks (to Thomas too)
Rusty (weighing engine parts, and planning cooler locations)  
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