Return-Path: Received: from ns5.rokland.us ([67.15.10.31] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.5) with ESMTP-TLS id 563628 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 18:15:18 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=67.15.10.31; envelope-from=bob@bob-white.com Received: from bgp01386375bgs.brodwy01.nm.comcast.net ([68.35.160.229] helo=localhost) by ns5.rokland.us with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CdGRs-0001ck-4t for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:14:48 -0600 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:14:16 -0700 From: Bob White To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: exhaust design question Message-Id: <20041211161416.00d9e21c.bob@bob-white.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.0beta2 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ns5.rokland.us X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lancaironline.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - bob-white.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Hi Jesse, Try http://www.bob-white.com/enginerun.WMV for the Mistral engine running in the Arrow. It's about 2 Mbytes Bob White On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:08:05 -0500 "jesse farr" wrote: > That sounds like one of those 'you just had to be there' sounds, to > me. Doesn't someone have a web page with a rotary sound, other > than Tracy's flyby ? > jofarr, soddy tn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Perkinson" > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 1:59 PM > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: exhaust design question > > > > Dennis, > > I have an AVI file of Tracy running his engine at the rotary round > > up that I > > could send you, it is 47 megs worth. If I knew how to break the > > file down and shorten it I would do that. As it is it would take a > > week to email it. > > > > Bob Perkinson > > Hendersonville, TN. > > RV9A > > If Nothing Changes > > Nothing Changes! > > > > > > I would expect the Renesis engine with the split/side exhaust is not > > as irritating. What is the experience? I have not heard either a > > 13B or Renesis takeoff or fly-by. > > Dennis H. > > > > Charlie England wrote: > > > >> Russell Duffy wrote: > >> > >>> So it appears its as much the nature of the Rotary "bark" as it is > >>> the sound level. > >>> > >>> > >>> I completely agree, and I've tried to get people around the > >airport>> to understand this. Since the engine doesn't sound like a > >"normal">> engine, everyone takes note. Since they noticed it, they > >assume it's>> primarily because it must be louder than other engines. > > This isn't > >>> necessarily true of course. > >>> Glad you got your power back. > >>> Rusty (yawn) > >> > >> > >> > >> This phenomenon is widely understood by audiophiles & (ex)sound > >> engineers. Certain frequencies, and certain harmonic structures > >added> to any sound, are much more irritating to the ear than others. > >The> 'bark' or 'edge' in the sound of a 2stroke or rotary is the > >harmonic> structure of the sound, not the actual level. I suspect > >that if you> fed a microphone into an oscilloscope, you'd see > >something like a sine> or triangle wave from a 4stroke piston engine > >& something approaching> a square wave from a 2stroke or rotary. We > >can run that experiment> here at Slobovia the next time we have a > >visit from a rotary.> > >> I suspect that's why Paul Conner's exhaust is actually a pleasing > >> sound while most rotaries 'hurt' your ears. His iron manifold is > >> probably filtering out the irritating harmonics & 'rounding off' > >the> waveform. > >> > >> Charlie > >> > >> > >>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >>>> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html > >>> > >> > > > >>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >>> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > > > > >>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >>> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > > > > >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > -- http://www.bob-white.com N93BD - Rotary Powered BD-4 (soon)