Return-Path: Received: from [24.25.9.103] (HELO ms-smtp-04-eri0.southeast.rr.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.5) with ESMTP id 561691 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 17:42:12 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=24.25.9.103; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from edward2 (cpe-069-132-109-019.carolina.rr.com [69.132.109.19]) by ms-smtp-04-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id iB9MfdCi014713 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 17:41:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003601c4de40$40199c70$2502a8c0@edward2> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuel Leaks Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 17:41:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01C4DE16.571642E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C4DE16.571642E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the definitions, Jesse - I always wondered what the = difference was in the use of those terms used to describe something done = to a used part {:>) Ed Anderson. =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jesse farr=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 3:41 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuel Leaks I understand. That is a lot of the problems we all face with these = electro mechanical monsters of late design. You can spend more than car = is worth keeping minor engine details working properly. Of course, it is = still much better than the certificted aircraft world. Remember, this is = a word of art marketing world we are talking about here; rebuilt = normally means disassmbled by hand, inspected by a technician, = reassemled by hand using new parts to replace worn / faulty parts; = reconditioned normally means simply cleaned and inspected, meeting = original specs and refurbished means cleaned, tested, repaired, if = necessary, and re-packaged, usually to as nearly as new a state as = possible. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ed Anderson=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 3:26 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuel Leaks No disparagement of remanufacture parts implied, Jesse, I have used = many remanufactured parts and still do. However, I have had at least 3 = injectors which have stuck open or leaked in the 250 hours of flying. = These were cleaned and "refurbished" (not certain exactly what that = means). Would new parts have done any better - don't really know but = would have hoped so. However, infant mortality rate of new parts is certainly a factor as = well. Used injectors are probably better than new injectors - however, = after a certain point I am certain that the reliability curve starts = down again. A number of folks on the list have had injector problems at one = time or the other. I just think that 10-15 year old injectors are = getting a bit long in the tooth considering the environment they operate = in. Here we do have a choice in that new injectors are available - just = rather expensive. Four new injectors and I have the $$ I spent to = rebuild the engine in the first place. =20 Ed Anderson ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jesse farr=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 3:10 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuel Leaks Since I, at one time, owned a parts rebuilding business, I gather = you are suggesting that on certain type parts of certain age that washed = parts are probably not worth the risk of going with less than new ? = That's really all you can do with somethings. Of course, with others, = you can not only re-build and/or replace worn parts but you can even = improve on them. On others, cleaning and checking them is about all can = be done. jofarr, soddy tn ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Anderson=20 These are refurbished injectors supposedly cleaned and flow = tested - but, unless you buy new Mazda injectors at $235, you are = getting remanufactured injectors which are getting to be almost 15 years = old in some cases. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C4DE16.571642E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for the definitions, = Jesse - I always=20 wondered what the difference was in the use of those terms used to = describe=20 something done to a used part {:>)
 
Ed Anderson. 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 jesse = farr=20
Sent: Thursday, December 09, = 2004 3:41=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuel = Leaks

I understand.  That is a lot of the = problems we all=20 face with these electro mechanical monsters of late design. You = can spend=20 more than car is worth keeping minor engine details working = properly. Of=20 course, it is still much better than the certificted aircraft world. = Remember,=20 this is a word of art marketing world we are talking about here; = rebuilt=20 normally means disassmbled by hand, inspected by = a=20 technician, reassemled by hand using new parts to replace worn / = faulty=20 parts; reconditioned normally means simply cleaned and inspected, = meeting=20 original specs and refurbished means cleaned, tested, repaired, if = necessary,=20 and re-packaged, usually to as nearly as new a state as=20 possible.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ed Anderson
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Thursday, December 09, = 2004 3:26=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuel = Leaks

No disparagement of remanufacture = parts=20 implied, Jesse, I have used many remanufactured parts and still = do. =20 However, I have had at least 3 injectors which have stuck open or = leaked in=20 the 250 hours of flying.  These were cleaned and "refurbished" = (not=20 certain exactly what that means).  Would new parts have done = any better=20 - don't really know but would have hoped so.
 
However, infant mortality rate of = new parts is=20 certainly a factor as well.  Used injectors are probably better = than=20 new injectors - however, after a certain point I am certain that the = reliability curve  starts down again.
 
A number of folks on the list =  have=20 had injector problems at one time or the other.  I just think = that=20 10-15 year old injectors are getting a bit long in the tooth = considering the=20 environment they operate in.
 
Here we do have a choice in that = new injectors=20 are available - just rather expensive.  Four new injectors and = I have=20 the $$ I spent to rebuild the engine in the first place.  =
 
Ed Anderson
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 jesse=20 farr
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Thursday, December = 09, 2004=20 3:10 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Fuel=20 Leaks

Since I, at one time, owned a = parts=20 rebuilding business, I gather you are suggesting that on certain = type=20 parts of certain age that washed parts are probably not worth the = risk of=20 going with less than new ? That's really all you can do with=20 somethings.  Of course, with others, you can not only = re-build and/or=20 replace worn parts but you can even improve on them.  On = others,=20 cleaning and checking them is about all can be = done.
jofarr, soddy tn
----- Original Message ----- = From:=20 Ed Anderson
 
These are refurbished injectors = supposedly=20 cleaned and flow tested - but, unless you buy new Mazda = injectors at=20 $235, you are getting remanufactured injectors which are getting = to be=20 almost 15 years old in some=20 = cases.
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