Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #12382
From: Al Gietzen <ALVentures@cox.net>
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] oil scoop?
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 09:06:05 -0700
To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft' <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
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Rusty;

 

I’m not sure I can be much help, because the vagaries of airflow are many.  Ultimately your going to have to do some experimenting.  I’d suggest that you need some more information before you start building a new duct/diffuser.  Ed’s suggestion about getting a handle on whether there is enough airflow but poor distribution is a good one; and Ernest suggestion of changing shape by some simpler means is also good.

 

Figure out some way to get an idea of flow distribution.  If you are going to measure exit air temp to determine delta T; you could get a rough idea of flow distribution by measuring exit temp in 2 or 3 places - maybe divide the area roughly in thirds, and measure temp in the center of each block.

 

Based on my scoop/diffuser shape, and the flow tests I did, my conclusion about where the air is going is different than Ed’s.  My guess is that there is flow separation and lots of turbulence at the front upper part of the duct, and most of the flow is actually going through the core near the back end.  It is also possible that the turbulence, (resulting poor pressure recovery) and the sharp turn into the core, may result in reduced inlet flow (air spilling around the scoop.

 

Your second version would probably result in less flow separation, and better pressure recovery, but there could still be issues of flow distribution and the need for some vanes.  I had more room for my scoop, and may have achieved something closer to a K&W diffuser, but still had to install vanes to get a fairly uniform flow distribution through the core.  The air just didn’t want to make that turn.  See photos.  But how the flow behaves in the diffuser is a function of the pressure drop across the core, so your case is different.

 

FWIW,

 

Al

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Russell Duffy
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 4:57 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] oil scoop?

 

Greetings,

 

I'm still having some high oil temps, though the cooler weather is allowing me to get by for now.  I was thinking of trying to apply some of the pressure recovery lessons that Ed tried to teach us.  It seemed to work pretty darned well with my radiator cores, so I figure I should give it a shot for the oil cooler core as well. 

 

Attached is a very crude drawing of the cross section of my oil scoop.  The top flat line is the evap core, and the vertical line on the right side is the inlet.  The top drawing is the current inside shape of the scoop.  As you can see, it isn't so great.  The bottom drawing is the proposed inside shape.  Anyone want to wager on whether this will help?  As far as fiberglass goes, it would be a fairly painless experiment.  Think it's worth trying?

 

Thanks,

Rusty (Sir fiberglass hater)

 

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