Return-Path: Received: from imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.65] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.5) with ESMTP id 484609 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 05:30:31 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.152.59.65; envelope-from=atlasyts@bellsouth.net Received: from [65.2.251.25] by imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.11 201-253-122-130-111-20040605) with ESMTP id <20041024093001.KXSB19872.imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net@[65.2.251.25]> for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 05:30:01 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 05:29:21 -0400 Subject: FW: Turbo failure From: Bulent Aliev To: Rotary motors in aircraft Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <417B5697.A0CC87A3@earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit "Brian D. Cain" wrote: > > I've been reading this thread off and on and I'd like to give my input on > it. > > Being from the automotive arena, I've got alot of practical, in-car > experience with the > use of the two stock turbochargers (both the earlier 87-88 unit and the > 89-91 unit) and > I must say that they absolutely stink! The turbine housing is too small in > my opinion for > the breathability of the engine, even a stock engine with no modifications > done to it. It > runs far too hot. I also believe it can cause alot of backpressure past the > point of about > 8psi of positive manifold pressure. Some may disagree, but I believe this > turbo isn't > as well suited to the 13B as are some alternatives. > > One of these alternatives is the Borg Warner (Schwitzer) TO4B "replacement" > turbo > that is sold as a generic T4 turbocharger to the public. The part # is > 313102. Although > I believe it comes with a turbine housing that has too large of an A/R > ratio, I believe it > would be very well suited for you guys. It is larger than the stock unit > but not substantially. > Since it is a larger shaft unit w/ larger exhaust housing and compressor > setup, I believe it > will produce the same power you guys desire for take-off and climbing let's > say, at a > lower positive boost pressure, with far less heat. If there's one thing I > have learned about > rotaries in all of my years of working on these and blowing them up, it's > that the exhaust > system needs to be atleast 100% efficient as the intake system is. This > includes the sizing > of the turbocharger's turbine housing specifically in this case. > Comparatively to piston > engine setups, our engines demand the use of a large turbine housing to keep > exhaust > backpressure low as well as velocities high. > > This turbo is cheap (about $450 brand new) although it would probably > require a > slightly smaller A/R ratio turbine housing with the proper exhaust flange > welded on it. > This turbo also has a dry bearing housing (meaning it does not use coolant > lines). Tapped > for 1/4"NPT on the oil feed side. This is a moderately sized turbocharger > but not too > big for the application in my opinion. Definitely worth a try! > > Once I get some pictures of this 313102 TO4B unit taken here, I will post > the link. > > B > __________________ > Brian D. Cain -/- Grand Prairie, TX -/- bdc196@killspam.comcast.net > bdc@killspam.teamfc3s.org > BDC Motorsports - Performance 13B Engines, Haltech EFI tuning, Etc. > MSN bdc196@killspam.hotmail.com, Yahoo! bdc196, AOL Symajhi, ICQ# 1733105 > http://bdc.cyberosity.com -/- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HaltechSupport--