Return-Path: Received: from fed1rmmtao05.cox.net ([68.230.241.34] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.5) with ESMTP id 478841 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:24:58 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.230.241.34; envelope-from=rogersda@cox.net Received: from smtp.west.cox.net ([172.18.180.52]) by fed1rmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.04 201-2131-111-106-20040729) with SMTP id <20041019162428.EBYC3459.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:24:28 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.15 (webedge20-101-1103-20040528) From: Dale Rogers To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: EWP Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:24:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20041019162428.EBYC3459.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> > > From: "Al Gietzen" > Date: 2004/10/19 Tue AM 10:29:24 EDT > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EWP > > I understand the EWP has higher efficiency than the stock pump - does > someone know how much? (I may have missed it because I haven't followed this > issue very closely). But I'm sure it is less than 40% better. And you can > save some pumping power in some flight regimes where the belt driven pump is > pumping more flow than needed. But, overall, saving power is not a likely > reason for going to an EWP. > > Configuration - yes. Redundancy - yes. Power saving - not. > > Al Al, I wonder if you misunderstood the nature of the question and of my reply. I keep saying that I shouldn't reply to messages at 0-dark-30 when I can't sleep, but I keep doing it. Still, the question wasn't whether to convert or not but whether or not to use the controller. The belt-driven water pump has to be able to provide cooling flow under worse-case conditions: low-speed city traffic. Therefore, it is way over capacity at 6500 RPM. This can be mitigated somewhat by changing pulley sizes, but at the risk of the cooling at idle and taxiing. The electric pump allows demand-based flow, using only as much energy as necessary to provide adequate cooling at that moment. Not using the controller, leaves three basic options: (A) wire direct, pumping full flow all the time and using a thermostat to maintain minimum heat. (B) wire direct, with no thermostat, and run cold during decents and other low-load conditions. (C) Put in a manual speed control. Rusty's concern - inadequate "minimum" flow speed - can be dealt with fairly easily. It would seem to me that the only time the pump needs to be at maximum output is during climb-out. The rest of the time, the system needs significantly less flow and therefore considerably less input. How much? That *does* yet need to be evaluated, but the experience of the racers seems to indicate that it is not trivial. Dale R. COZY MkIV #1254