Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #11845
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Progress on the rebuild (Update Sept 30)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 08:40:32 -0400
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
David, glad to hear you apparently have an engine in good shape.

Regarding some of your questions, I would recommend staying with the
aviation 37 deg flare for your tubing. Most DAR and FAA inspectors would
frown on the use of the 45 deg auto flare.

The 37 deg flare is suppose to put less stress on the flare than a 45 deg
flare - whether that is really the reason - I have not a clue as to why 37
is preferred for aircraft.

I use stainless steel braided lines for all my coolant, oil and fuel.  I
will admit that AN-16 lines for the coolant is a bit of an overkill and if
doing it over would change to high quality radiator hose for the coolant.
But, on the otherhand I first flew in 1997 and have never had a leak (so far
at least).

Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Staten" <Dastaten@earthlink.net>
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 12:48 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Progress on the rebuild (Update Sept 30)


Ok gang...
    After over 5 weeks of waiting on various suppliers, my micrometers
arrived on my doorstep Monday - four Outside "mitutoyu" style micros
covering 0-4". Yay. Had a family member in the ER for a few hours since
then, and didn't rightfully have a chance to mess with things until this
evening. I took the time to mic. and scope gauge/mic all the applicable
parts of the rotors, bearings and housings and jotted my numbers down.
Observations included the following...

1) the Eshaft is at maximum allowable dimensions with regards to
diameters. I am interpreting that as "like new, no measurable wear". It
appears true and straight.

2) I may have introduced some error into my measurements by using the
telescoping gauges and then measuring those with mics... because my
calculated clearances on 3 of the 4 bearings were a smidgen under the
minimum allowable of 0.0016, and there were (or should I say HAS BEEN)
NO signs of abnormal wear on the babbit that you would expect with a
tight journal bearing.

3) the side housing face wear was a fraction (1/4) of the allowable
amount... not new.. but clearly not excessive.Clearly visible wear marks
where they should be, but the numbers arent bad at all.

For those of you who missed the original story, this is the 1st of a
batch of 3 (three) 2nd gen 13B turbo II cores we bid on, from Ebay, and
won for $710. We then spent another 80 bucks max on gas for a road trip
and had the engines home within 24 hours. I had made statements to Chris
that visually, the first engine looked like a good rebuild candidate, I
just didn't have the proper measuring tools to prove it. Now that I do,
I am VERY pleased at the prospect of having a rebuilt engine that truly
is near LIKE NEW tolerances.  And I haven't even knocked the dust off
the other two cores/engines yet.

Chris Barber, the airframe builder, and our mutual friend Russell, came
by the house today after our first "boys night out" together in quite a
few weeks and showed Chris my handiwork... the workbench, the tools, the
sand blasting booth that I threw together. He had seen inside an earlier
engine we had elected to return, and he marvelled at the end product I
had laying in pieces.

I intend to go back over my measurements (remeasure) my bearing min
diameters tomorrow as I am quite exhausted today/tonight and may simply
have some error using the telescoping gauges. Next step after that is to
get the rebuild kit and begin the process of putting this jigsaw puzzle
back together for good. I currently am awaiting arrival of some street
porting templates, and need to go by Chris's to grab a junk engine core
over there to practice on before I try to port out this first clean
engine. Then time to start planning/shopping for intake/injector/turbo
components. This end is hopefully starting to come together after much
too long a delay.

My question for the masses.. with regards to piping and tubing, what are
the recommendations? Automotive or aviation flaring tools for flared
fittings (pro-con on this one)? Firesleeve or braided? or firesleeve
over braid? Welded, tapped or clamped fittings/hoses for the various
plumbing?

Dave Staten
13B turbo II rebuild
Velocity N17010 (reserved)


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