Return-Path: Received: from mxsf12.cluster1.charter.net ([209.225.28.212] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.2) with ESMTP id 421749 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 19:22:28 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.225.28.212; envelope-from=cardmarc@charter.net Received: from mxip12.cluster1.charter.net (mxip12a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.142]) by mxsf12.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8JNLvjc028903 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 19:21:58 -0400 Received: from 68.185.193.214.ts46v-02.dntn.tx.charter.com (HELO homeoffice) (68.185.193.214) by mxip12.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 19 Sep 2004 19:21:57 -0400 X-Ironport-AV: i="3.84,166,1091419200"; d="scan'208"; a="323630412:sNHT13153824" From: "Marc Wiese" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Still high temperature Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 18:21:43 -0500 Message-ID: <003c01c49e9f$71650110$6502a8c0@homeoffice> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Steve Brooks Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 12:55 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Still high temperature I would appreciate input to a problem that I have. I just overhauled the engine, and reworked the cooling system. I'm now using the A/C evaporator cores for radiators. The problem I'm having is, that when I take it up, I'm seeing coolant and oil temperature of about 210 degrees. That is climbing to pattern, leveling off, and throttling back to low power. The oil stays pretty much where it is, and the coolant come down just a couple of degrees. When throttle back to land, the coolant and oil both come down to about 180 at touchdown. I taxi back to the hanger and shut down with oil and coolant about 190-195, but after shut down, I get all sorts of gurgling noises from the header tank, which is fed by the tap on the side of the thermostat housing. The gurgling noises go on for 5-6 minutes, which would seem like the engine is overheated, but while hot, it doesn't seem overly hot. The other end of the header tank feeds coolant to the turbo, so maybe the hot water is coming from it ? Maybe my header tank should be fed differently ? Also at this time, after a short flight, there is only a couple of cups of additional coolant in the overflow tank. I assume that the higher than desired coolant temperature, and the gurgling noise are related. I pulled the water pump off today to double check it, and all seems OK. The pump only has about 10 hours on it. When I run it on the ground, and feel the radiators after shutdown, they are uniformly hot. I put a furnace blower pointed at the scoop, and I'm getting very even airflow through the radiators. The oil cooler, on the other hand, has about 75% of the air going through the middle of the cooler, so I'm going to have to add some deflectors in the plenum to push more air to the outside. That seems to be a less significant issue at the present. Any thoughts ? Steve Brooks Cozy MKIV Turbo rotary My FD (1994 tt 13Brew) engine typically runs 210-225F all summer on highway drives. I have two water temp sensors. Today with ac on, 70 mph, 95F outside, 500'msl, 212F sustained (ac turns on electric fans as well)-nowhere near your power output in flight! Getting those temps down probably means a bigger radiator, better airflow, and bigger fans. Gurgling in the FD means you have air in the system, burp it well (bleed air at the highest point in the system off somewhere while filling it, this is a critical FD step). Marc Wiese