Return-Path: Received: from fed1rmmtao09.cox.net ([68.230.241.30] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.2) with ESMTP id 421567 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 15:28:25 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.230.241.30; envelope-from=ALVentures@cox.net Received: from BigAl ([68.107.116.221]) by fed1rmmtao09.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.04 201-2131-111-106-20040729) with ESMTP id <20040919192753.HOKG8960.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@BigAl> for ; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 15:27:53 -0400 From: "Al Gietzen" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Still high temperature Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 12:28:24 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c49e7e$d4d78ae0$6400a8c0@BigAl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C49E44.2878B2E0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C49E44.2878B2E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 The high temps are indicating insufficient cooling capacity ( I guess = that's obvious); which means insufficient air flow or too little heat exchange area. If others are getting adequate cooling at the same power with the same cores, then it is air flow. As I recall, you are no longer running = the coolers in series, but there still may be a pressure recovery issue with your scoop, or just too small an opening; more like the first. =20 After a few runs it seems that the air should be purged. Do you have a means of checking (confirming your temps to be sure there isn't some = boiling going on? =20 Al=20 =20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Still high temperature =20 I would appreciate input to a problem that I have. I just overhauled = the engine, and reworked the cooling system. I'm now using the A/C = evaporator cores for radiators. The problem I'm having is, that when I take it up, = I'm seeing coolant and oil temperature of about 210 degrees. That is = climbing to pattern, leveling off, and throttling back to low power. The oil = stays pretty much where it is, and the coolant come down just a couple of = degrees. =20 When throttle back to land, the coolant and oil both come down to about = 180 at touchdown. I taxi back to the hanger and shut down with oil and = coolant about 190-195, but after shut down, I get all sorts of gurgling noises = from the header tank, which is fed by the tap on the side of the thermostat housing. The gurgling noises go on for 5-6 minutes, which would seem = like the engine is overheated, but while hot, it doesn't seem overly hot. The other end of the header tank feeds coolant to the turbo, so maybe the = hot water is coming from it ? Maybe my header tank should be fed differently = ? Also at this time, after a short flight, there is only a couple of cups = of additional coolant in the overflow tank. =20 I assume that the higher than desired coolant temperature, and the = gurgling noise are related. I pulled the water pump off today to double check = it, and all seems OK. The pump only has about 10 hours on it. When I run = it on the ground, and feel the radiators after shutdown, they are uniformly = hot. I put a furnace blower pointed at the scoop, and I'm getting very even airflow through the radiators. The oil cooler, on the other hand, has = about 75% of the air going through the middle of the cooler, so I'm going to = have to add some deflectors in the plenum to push more air to the outside. = That seems to be a less significant issue at the present. =20 Any thoughts ? =20 Steve Brooks Cozy MKIV Turbo rotary =20 =20 >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C49E44.2878B2E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

The high temps are indicating insufficient cooling capacity ( I guess that’s obvious); which means insufficient air = flow or too little heat exchange area.  If others are getting adequate cooling = at the same power with the same cores, then it is air flow.  As I recall, you = are no longer running the coolers in series, but there still may be a pressure recovery issue with your scoop, or just too small an opening; more like = the first.

 

After a few runs it seems that the air should be = purged.  Do you have a means of checking (confirming your temps to be sure there = isn’t some boiling going on?

 

Al

 

Subject: [FlyRotary] Still high temperature

 

I would appreciate input to a problem that I have.  I just overhauled = the

engine, and reworked the cooling system.  I'm now using the A/C = evaporator

cores for radiators.  The problem I'm having is, that when I take it up, = I'm

seeing coolant and oil temperature of about 210 degrees.  That is = climbing

to pattern, leveling off, and throttling back to low power.  The oil = stays

pretty much where it is, and the coolant come down just a couple of = degrees.

 

When throttle back to land, the coolant and oil both come down to about = 180

at touchdown.  I taxi back to the hanger and shut down with oil and = coolant

about 190-195, but after shut down, I get all sorts of gurgling noises = from

the header tank, which is fed by the tap on the side of the = thermostat

housing.  The gurgling noises go on for 5-6 minutes, which would seem = like

the engine is overheated, but while hot, it doesn't seem overly hot. = The

other end of the header tank feeds coolant to the turbo, so maybe the = hot

water is coming from it ? Maybe my header tank should be fed differently = ?

Also at this time, after a short flight, there is only a couple of cups = of

additional coolant in the overflow tank.

 

I assume that the higher than desired coolant temperature, and the = gurgling

noise are related.  I pulled the water pump off today to double check = it,

and all seems OK.  The pump only has about 10 hours on it.  When I = run it on

the ground, and feel the radiators after shutdown, they are uniformly = hot.

I put a furnace blower pointed at the scoop, and I'm getting very = even

airflow through the radiators.  The oil cooler, on the other hand, has = about

75% of the air going through the middle of the cooler, so I'm going to = have

to add some deflectors in the plenum to push more air to the outside.  = That

seems to be a less significant issue at the present.

 

Any thoughts ?

 

Steve Brooks

Cozy MKIV

Turbo rotary

 

 

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