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> In a message dated 9/13/2004 9:13:30 AM Central Daylight Time, keltro@att.net > writes: > > << Lynn, > > Could we have some clarification here.......Your previous post > indicated > that you are measuring oil temp of your race car in the pan and that you do > not like to see temps over 190 degrees.......If this is the case some of the > group > that are flying may be getting between the devils fence and his front door > with temps of 200 to 240 degrees "After" the oil cooler...... With that in > mind > how important do you think replacing the stock spring loaded rotor cooling > jets with fixed Weber (or equivalent) jets and/or the rotor bearings with the > racing (more clearance) version considering the rpm and power that we are > asking of the engine (N/A) in our aircraft? > As usual we really appreciate your no nonsense real world experience... > > > Kelly Troyer > > Dyke Delta/13B/RD1C/EC2 > > > I actually measure cooled filtered oil as it enters the engine. (see the > picture). I have another gage in the oil storage tank to give me a measurement > on > the pressure side cooler performance. I do not know what the spent oil temp > is, in the "pan." We have no pan. Just a flat plate. (about 20 degrees drop > from the pressure side cooler) We have a video camera recording two EGT gages, > scavenged oil temp, RPM, voltage and water pressure. > > > The jets in the crank are larger than the Weber .180MM or .200MM that the > racers replace them with. ?????? > > There is a spring loaded ball below that jet nut that shuts off cooling oil > flow to the rotors at low RPM. This allows for rapid warm up, and keeps good > oil pressure at idle RPM. When the revs go up, and more oil pressure is > available from the pump speed increase, the increased pressure, and centrifugal > force > lift the balls off of the oil port, and rotor cooling oil spray begins > > So what is the change to a fixed (smaller) jet for? > > When you race the car with big ports and lots of overlap, the idle ends up > around 2000 RPM just to get it smooth enough to deal with. So the pump is > turning fast enough that the "no" oil pressure at idle is not a factor. It will > have > close to normal oil pressure. But if you install a modified oil pressure > relief valve to get the oil pressure up to 115 pounds, and then start using the > engine close to 9,000 RPM, the stock crank jets are too big, and too much of the > extra oil pressure is wasted being sprayed into the rotors. It cannot cool > the rotors to any additional amount, and it just foams the oil more than normal. > So the (smaller) jets reduce the pressure loss and the excessive oil sprayed > into the rotors, when well above stock oil pressure is used. I use Weber 180 > main jets. Idle is 2,200 RPM. We shift at 9,600 RPM. Idle oil pressure is 85 > PSI. Off idle to 9,600 oil pressure is 100 PSI. > > On the Nopistons list, many of the kids do this modification, and then lament > the idiot light blinking at hot idle. There is no stress on the bearings at > all at low speeds and any oil at all is enough. So I tell them to tape over the > light and forget about it. When they scream the engine, the oil pressure is > right up where it belongs and there is no problem. > > I helped a local guy with some welding on a Dyke Delta, and have a set of > plans. I built up an expanded Dyke Like design in electrical conduit. I love > that > look and the performance is impressive. But just too much work for me. I > think race car fuel cells in the wing roots would be better than 47 gallons > behind > my head. There are so many things I would change that it wouldn't be a Dyke > when I got done. But I digress. > > Lynn E. Hanover >
Lynn,
At the rpm we are using in our aircraft (Typically 5500 to 7500 <with 2.85 to1>)
what is your gut feeling on using the weber jets "and/or" the race rotor bearing if
you were going to fly behind it.....?
As for my "Delta" I have two 26 gal saddle fuel tanks behind main spar in the
outboard part of the center section. They are aluminum ,not fuel cells.
Kelly
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