Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #11312
From: Finn Lassen <finn.lassen@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] high oil pressure and coolers
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 11:33:10 -0400
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Yes this is somewhat disturbing. May explain whay I've seen a failure or two (small leaks) of my cheap Fram oil filters. I have my oil filter where it comes out of the front cover.
Normal sequence in the car (I think) is: out from front cover, oil cooler, into engine rear housing (and 75 psi regulator), then up to oil filter and through engine.

So the stock oil cooler is obviously rated for the hight pressure, but filters are not?

Finn

Russell Duffy wrote:
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Greetings,
 
I just called Bruce to ask a few questions related to oil temp and pressure, and I'm not sure I feel better now. 
 
First, he still says he wouldn't run over 210F.  I was of course hoping that he's say it was OK to run more. 
 
Next, I was asking about how the oil pressure regulator worked, and got an education.  While this may not be news to some of you, others will find it as disturbing as I do.  The engine has two oil regulators.  In my case, the normal regulator is set at about 75 psi, and is at the inlet of the oil to the engine.  The other regulator is in the front cover, to regulate oil outlet pressure, and is fixed at 157 psi!!!  This is to allow for restriction in the oil coolers and long lines.  He said you'll see this when cold, and likely during that first climbout, but he didn't believe it would stay that high all the time.  He did think it would always be over 100 psi though.
 
I'm really concerned about the evap core in the current installation.  First, it just failed, as did Dave's Setrab (rated up to 232 psi).  How many other non-Mazda oil coolers have failed? 
 
In my case, I have other causes for concern.  My oil goes from the engine, to the evap core, to a Peterson inline filter, back to the engine.  Along the way, I do a couple restrictive things.  First, I start at AN12, then change to AN10 at the outlet of the filter.  That probably causes some restriction, but perhaps not as much as the oil filter itself.  The Peterson filter is a stainless mesh filter, which normally comes with a 60 micron screen.  I was concerned about that being too big, and changed to a 45 micron screen.  This will certainly be more restrictive, but the Peterson filters are very high flow to start with, so maybe this isn't an issue.  Nevertheless, I'm concerned that I've caused enough restriction to make the oil outlet pressure stay near it's 157 psi limit at high rpms.  
 
The next problem is not knowing what the evap core can handle.  The more I've thought about it, the more I don't think the evap core routinely sees pressures over 90-100 psi in the car.  I also worry that pressure pulses in gas are far more forgiving than they will be with liquid.  Who knows if there are pulses in the oil pressure that even exceed the 232 psi rating of the Setrab.  Anyone know what the stock Mazda coolers are rated for.      
  
I'm probably not going to fly again, until I have a pressure gauge on the oil outlet of the engine, so I can read what pressure the evap core is seeing.   The VDO senders seem to skip from 150 psi, to 350 psi, so there isn't a great choice.  I'm even considering not flying the evap core oil cooler again regardless.  I already know it isn't going to work well enough for my current power level, so why take a chance. 
 
Has anyone checked the pressure out of the engine?  What do you guys think about all this?
 
Thanks,
Rusty (this is why I needed another plane)
 
 
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