Return-Path: Received: from smtp810.mail.sc5.yahoo.com ([66.163.170.80] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.1) with SMTP id 400064 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 00:55:56 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.163.170.80; envelope-from=dcarter@datarecall.net Received: from unknown (HELO Davidscmptr) (dcarter11@sbcglobal.net@216.63.106.150 with login) by smtp810.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2004 04:54:30 -0000 Message-ID: <08e101c49496$a9bda5c0$6401a8c0@Davidscmptr> Reply-To: "David Carter" From: "David Carter" To: "flyrotary" Subject: Evap Cores - insights Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 23:53:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 With that last e-mail, other insights came quickly to mind. If it is true that the GM cores have blocking plates to create a serpentine flow path, and since it is true that these cores DO have the inlet and exit tube on same "end cap", i.e., both on the "top" as installed in the car, with tubes running up and down. 1) They might be mounted "sideways" in some planes, with tubes running across, and unmodified fittings being on same end, one high, one low. Given that there is serpentine flow, with coolant inlet and exit pipes on same "end", then it may be either a 2 pass or 4 pass serpentine path. - A two pass core would have a blocking plate half way down the tubes from inlet, with fluid going across first half of the tubes, and coming out the next half and exiting out the "end" (top in car) without any internal tubes (such as what Steve removed) to facilitate that flow path. - A four pass core would have a blocking plate 1/4 way down tubes from inlet, 1/2 way down on opposite end of tubes, and 3/4 way down from inlet on side with inlet and exit tubes. . . . . . -- I can no longer understand what the "removed tube" was for, unless it was the "exit tube" of a "3 pass" serpentine flow, i.e., it was welded to the outside wall of end containing both inlet & exit, and its purpose was to "reach" across to the other "end cap" (go across parallel to the tubes) and provide a return path for fluid that passes across the bottom 1/3 of tubes, so as to allow their flow to come back to the exit side. Anyway, given any number of serpentine passes, the fact that there are blocking plates is the primary cause of "hard to purge air out of cores". I've been assuming that there was no serpentine flow, that all the fluid came in one side and out the other like a radiator. This wasn't even a logical assumption, given that when I looked at the cores still in the car, both tubes were on the top. That is already different from a car radiator, where the water comes in top right and goes out bottom left. - The fact that there HAVE to be blocking plates in there for both the inlet and exit to be on same end cap gives us an explanation about difficulty of purging air. Now, depending on how each builder might choose to modify his cores to weld on hose fittings, if he was unaware of the blocking plates - and where they are physically located inside - then a builder might chose a location to weld on a fitting on the opposite side (unlike the way it was built) so that he might be "short circuiting" the serpentine flow path so he is not getting flow through part of the tubes. - How many have felt their cores to assure all tubes are equally hot? Steve may have really opened up this thing to a new level of understanding. Finally, if we can find out exactly where these blocking plates are, then it might be worthwhile to install pet cocks (bleeder valves) in those parts of end caps where air might be trapped - open bleeder valves during filling until liquid comes out then close. Given that consideration, then "how the cores are oriented" (upright like in car or on one side or the other - 3 choices) might lead us to ways of minimizing the amount of trapped air that has to be purged. David