Ed,

    I am trying to work my way through the compressor  maps and formulae that I have stumbled across in the past few days, and looking at your formula, I am able to make sense of it.. and I am using a website with a calculator built in that reproduces your values...but the value of 277 cfm.. thats how much air the engine is pumping normally aspirated at wide open throttle.. right?
 
So plotting this at 1.0 atm and 277 cfm wouldnt event be on the "map" at all.. If I am understanding this at all.
 
Using the TD06H-20G map listed at http://cybrina.mine.nu/MR2_Docs/compressor_flow_maps.htm (and attached to this mail)
if I wanted to maintain 23 PSIA (8.3 PSIG) boost (48" map). which comes out to a presure ratio of 1.6..
. then I would need to calculate the CFM required at 1.6 PR..
 
At 3000 rpm I am getting 222 CFM and
At 6000 rpm I am getting 444 CFM... (1.6 PR),
which falls in the map on that site....
 
To take it further.. if I wanted to maintain that amount of boost (23 PSIA/8.3 PSIG) to say.. 12,000 feet..
Ambient pressure at 12k is a ballpark value 18"/9psi.. the pressure ratio there is 2.5...

3000 rpm, PR 2.5, comes out to 347 CFM.. appears to fall just left of where I'm told the "surge line" is
6000 rpm, PR 2.5 equals 697 CFM and falls to the right of the 65% efficiency island..

If I am interpreting this correctly that means that this turbo would be able to give the desired performance but would NOT be able to maintain 23" absolute boost to 12k feet....

5000 rpm at 2.5 PR gives 578 CFM and DOES fall within the map though...

I am throwing all this out there to see if I am grasping the concept clearly or not.. and to see what I need to adjust conceptually..

I am also guessing that the .55 value listed below by Mike, is BSFC.. correct?
 
I am trying to comprehend the "volumetric efficiency" concept as it relates to pressurized/charged intakes.. are we assuming a value of 1.0/100% or is this not realistic? What about porting... will that improve the VE? (I'm wanting to say YES) Iis it realistic or even possible to have a VE > 1.0/100%?
 
The reason for all the head scratching on my end is that I have several turbo 13b cores.. but none of them have turbo's attached.. so I get to pick what I want on there.. but I want to make sure I have a grasp of the concept before I start turbo shopping..
 
I must admit that this listserv group has been a literal gold mine of information. I have exposed to a truckload of data in the past 2 weeks and am just trying to organize it at this point.
 
Dave Staten
2nd Gen 13B rebuild in progress..

Ed Anderson wrote:

Mike makes a good point.  While the official displacement of the 13B is
1.308 liters (actually 1308 cc), for airflow/power purposes it acts the same
as a 4 cylinder engine of 40 CID (each cylinder) or 160 CID or 2.6 Liters.

CFM = (4*40)RPM/(1728*2) so for 6000 rpm, CFM = 160*6000/(1728*2) = 277.77
CFM at 100 Ve

Some compressor maps use CFM on the X axis and some use mass flow usually
Lbs/min.  My spreadsheet automatically calculates the lbs/min of air flow
for every rpm and power situation.  Or its easy enough to calculate.

Just multiply your air flow volume in CFM by 0.076 for sea level density.
So in this case 277.77*0.76 = 21.1052 lbm/min



Ed
Ed Anderson
RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Robert" <pmrobert@bellsouth.net>
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 11:14 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Compressor maps


  

John Slade wrote:

    

John, here is a URL to a pretty good discussion on reading compressor
maps with examples
 http://cybrina.mine.nu/MR2_Docs/compressor_flow_maps.htm

That's great, Ed. And you did it in one sentence. :)
Do you happen to know the engine capacity (in litres) and the
volumetric efficiency of an REW engine?
Regards,
John

      

John, the auto people use 2.6 litres and .55 for those turbo map calcs.

HTH, Mike

    

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