X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2011 11:46:06 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from blu0-omc3-s9.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.84] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with ESMTP id 5040922 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 03 Jul 2011 00:09:32 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.55.116.84; envelope-from=cgainza@msn.com Received: from BLU139-W4 ([65.55.116.74]) by blu0-omc3-s9.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 2 Jul 2011 21:08:57 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: cgainza@msn.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_df1cb282-b279-4ff5-a901-d2ddc3da8f5d_" X-Originating-IP: [24.5.212.73] From: Craig Gainza X-Original-To: list lancair Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Paint damage IFR X-Original-Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 21:08:57 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2011 04:08:57.0499 (UTC) FILETIME=[EE3E76B0:01CC3936] --_df1cb282-b279-4ff5-a901-d2ddc3da8f5d_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ralf=2C I agree with Jeff. =20 Shortly after new paint I flew into Sedona. I was IMC for about an hour. = When I got out of the airplane=2C I walked along the leading edge there wer= e pits to carbon every 8-9 inches. As I reached to touch the pits there wa= s an arc of electricity that got my attention. Of course my static wicks w= ere home in a package.=20 This was an expensive lesson. I never=2C ever fly without static wicks. = And I have not had a problem since. Craig Gainza > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Date: Sat=2C 2 Jul 2011 23:34:10 -0400 > From: vtailjeff@aol.com > Subject: [LML] Re: Paint damage IFR >=20 > Ralf >=20 > That is static discharge pinhole. Put static wicks on and make certain th= ey are grounded. >=20 > Jeff >=20 > AvSafe=20 > Jeff Edwards > 314.308.6719 mobile > 636.532.5638 office > Jeff.edwards@avsafe.com >=20 > On Jul 2=2C 2011=2C at 12:23 AM=2C wrote: >=20 > >=20 > > Dear subscribers=2C > >=20 > > I followed the leading edge tape discussion that we had a few weeks ago= . > > At that point I decided not to put leading edge tape on my wings > > (because of the estimated speed loss of up to 10Kts). > >=20 > > Last week I got into IMC at 19.000 ft. It was like high clouds=2C almos= t > > like thick mist with no precipitation in it (temp around -5C=2C no > > indication of ice). I was in there for approx. 45 min. My TAS was > > approx. 245 - 250 kts (lean of peak).=20 > >=20 > > It was dark=2C I was hand flying the plane (I am still working on the A= P)=2C > > monitoring all the gages (it has been flying for approx. 40 hrs now - I > > am kind of still sitting on the fence)=2C talking to ATC and I never ha= d > > the plane at a higher altitude before. So not knowing how stable the > > plane would be if I added another two or four thousand ft altitude I di= d > > not want to add another unknown variable and decided to just sit and > > wait. > >=20 > > On the ground again I noticed that I got little electric shocks when I > > touched the leading edge of the wing (I don't have static wicks). When = I > > wiped off the bugs the next day I noticed some little nicks in my paint > > (metallic base coat with clear coat on top) on the leading edge of the > > wing I touched the night before. It is not that bad but I think I shoul= d > > change my behavior in order to not make it worse. > >=20 > > Question: are there any rules for speed/altitude for IMC/rain that make > > it easier on the plane (paint)? > >=20 > > Thanks for your input > >=20 > > Ralf > >=20 > > -- > > For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.= html >=20 > -- > For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.ht= ml = --_df1cb282-b279-4ff5-a901-d2ddc3da8f5d_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ralf=2C

I agree with Jeff. =3B

Shortly after new paint I= flew into Sedona. =3B I was IMC for about an hour. =3B When I got = out of the airplane=2C I walked along the leading edge there were pits to c= arbon every 8-9 inches. =3B As I reached to touch the pits there was an= arc of electricity that got my attention. =3B Of course my static wick= s were home in a package.

This was an expensive lesson.  =3B I = never=2C ever fly without static wicks. =3B And I have not had a proble= m since.

Craig Gainza





>=3B To: lml@lan= caironline.net
>=3B Date: Sat=2C 2 Jul 2011 23:34:10 -0400
>=3B F= rom: vtailjeff@aol.com
>=3B Subject: [LML] Re: Paint damage IFR
>= =3B
>=3B Ralf
>=3B
>=3B That is static discharge pinhole. = Put static wicks on and make certain they are grounded.
>=3B
>= =3B Jeff
>=3B
>=3B AvSafe
>=3B Jeff Edwards
>=3B 314.= 308.6719 mobile
>=3B 636.532.5638 office
>=3B Jeff.edwards@avsafe= .com
>=3B
>=3B On Jul 2=2C 2011=2C at 12:23 AM=2C <=3Bbronnenm= eier@GROBSYSTEMS.COM>=3B wrote:
>=3B
>=3B >=3B
>=3B &g= t=3B Dear subscribers=2C
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B I followed the = leading edge tape discussion that we had a few weeks ago.
>=3B >=3B = At that point I decided not to put leading edge tape on my wings
>=3B = >=3B (because of the estimated speed loss of up to 10Kts).
>=3B >= =3B
>=3B >=3B Last week I got into IMC at 19.000 ft. It was like hi= gh clouds=2C almost
>=3B >=3B like thick mist with no precipitation = in it (temp around -5C=2C no
>=3B >=3B indication of ice). I was in= there for approx. 45 min. My TAS was
>=3B >=3B approx. 245 - 250 kt= s (lean of peak).
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B It was dark=2C I was = hand flying the plane (I am still working on the AP)=2C
>=3B >=3B mo= nitoring all the gages (it has been flying for approx. 40 hrs now - I
&g= t=3B >=3B am kind of still sitting on the fence)=2C talking to ATC and I = never had
>=3B >=3B the plane at a higher altitude before. So not kn= owing how stable the
>=3B >=3B plane would be if I added another two= or four thousand ft altitude I did
>=3B >=3B not want to add anothe= r unknown variable and decided to just sit and
>=3B >=3B wait.
&g= t=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B On the ground again I noticed that I got litt= le electric shocks when I
>=3B >=3B touched the leading edge of the = wing (I don't have static wicks). When I
>=3B >=3B wiped off the bug= s the next day I noticed some little nicks in my paint
>=3B >=3B (me= tallic base coat with clear coat on top) on the leading edge of the
>= =3B >=3B wing I touched the night before. It is not that bad but I think = I should
>=3B >=3B change my behavior in order to not make it worse.=
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B Question: are there any rules for speed= /altitude for IMC/rain that make
>=3B >=3B it easier on the plane (p= aint)?
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B Thanks for your input
>=3B &= gt=3B
>=3B >=3B Ralf
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B --
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>=3B
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