X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 13:14:44 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.48] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with ESMTP id 5037190 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 29 Jun 2011 12:36:29 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.30.48; envelope-from=j.hafen@comcast.net Received: from omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.73]) by qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 1sM31h0071afHeLA5sbrRT; Wed, 29 Jun 2011 16:35:51 +0000 Received: from [10.0.1.5] ([24.17.111.171]) by omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 1sgP1h00P3hvfg88dsgRDZ; Wed, 29 Jun 2011 16:40:26 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: [LML] Fin From: John Hafen In-Reply-To: X-Original-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 09:35:47 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Original-Message-Id: References: X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Giff: Good moves all. Additionally, I think in the early days, guys didn't consciously realize = how much AOA increases with bank angle. Flying square corners in a = pattern, especially in the base to final turn, can stall the plane way = too close to the ground to do anything about it. That is why HPAT recommends flying a 1500 foot pattern, and a roundish = arc from down wind to final, rather than square corners from down wind = to base, then base to final. John Hafen On Jun 29, 2011, at 8:26 AM, Giffen Marr wrote: Before I started to build my IV-P, I reviewed the accident history of = the IV.What I found was a significant number of stall spin accidents in = the IV. Why a higher rate then other aircraft? =46rom my analysis, I = felt there were two reasons, one,the aircraft tended to have an aft CG, = and two, the tail became blanketed in the spin, causing difficulty in = recovery. My un-flown solution was to move as much weight forward as I = could, add stall strips, add the ventral fin and add about 48 square = inches of area to the rudder trailing edge. You must also remember that = when you retract the gear, the cg moves aft about 2 inches. With an aft = CG, the aircraft will tend to go flat in the spin, which makes recovery = difficult. Giff Marr N229GM 1st engine run before AirVenture. -- For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html