X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 13:11:48 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mta11.charter.net ([216.33.127.80] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with ESMTP id 5035646 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 28 Jun 2011 12:37:16 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.33.127.80; envelope-from=troneill@charter.net Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.09.02.04 201-2219-117-106-20090629) with ESMTP id <20110628163641.WSKN4013.mta11.charter.net@imp10> for ; Tue, 28 Jun 2011 12:36:41 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([75.132.241.174]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id 1Ucg1h00M3mUFT705Ucgyi; Tue, 28 Jun 2011 12:36:41 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=G6Q69DB3AUoJKS2BpLRaz8MQ2NORN7h5HRzrJMPOhRw= c=1 sm=1 a=DwSz2rMgKogA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=VxlS/kh5Y2KhHY/Xui1ATg==:17 a=uTC_cZbAVVj9Jrl-wxwA:9 a=j1YXBPH-RkyqvUlBMngA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=KhqCFB_RAzVmHzQrNM4A:9 a=1sKywFtqCqrONUPKJmYA:7 a=VxlS/kh5Y2KhHY/Xui1ATg==:117 From: Terrence O'Neill Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-33-259318691 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Airplane needs to be "fixed," Stall Speeds, Wing Cuffs, Vortex Generators for L... X-Original-Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 11:36:40 -0500 In-Reply-To: X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: X-Original-Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) --Apple-Mail-33-259318691 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If I may, comparatively briefly: We all know the word 'stall' refers the wing's airflow breaking away at = a certain angle. You, the pilot, controls the angle at which the airflow approaches the = wing. Hands off the pitch control that angle stays where you trimmed = it, regardless of attitude. You probably don't really believe that. but = it's true -- unless -- you are too far aft CG, or the total airplane has = a pitching moment that increases 'nose-up' as the AOA increases. Many (military) aircraft with artificial stabilization are designed to = use all lifting surfaces to get the best L/D, for more performance -- at = the cost of stability. GenAv planes don't. Some Experimentals are marginally stable or even = unstable when at high AOAs. Add to that, all the fatal GenAv accidents = are caused by unintentional stalls, a quarter to a third of all fatals. Because the pilot pulled his wing past its stall AOA .. unintentionally. Unintentionally, because he can not SEE the air-to-wing angle. Because = he does not habitually reference how he is 'planing' his wing. He uses = airspeed, a very vague, inaccurate reference to the wing-wing angle. For GenAv planes, the FAA persistently, ignorantly, does not require all = airplanes to have an AOA indicating vane right in the pilot's field of = vision, and require him to demonstrate using it, to get his license. The great majority of pilots are not aerodynamics guys who have designed = an airplane, built their own design, and then got in it and risked their = life on their own design knowledge. Most know about AOA, but don't = understand it -- or use it. I was ignorant too, in spite of my Navy wings and five more year of = GenAv flying. Until 1960 when I bought Waco's last prototype = Experimental and restored and flew it, and then conducted a FAA Type = Certification program for my own similar design, a 6-seater ... then I = realized I needed to really understand what was going on at high AOAs, = and started making my own AOA vanes, so I could see the angles, down to = one degree, and watch them as I maneuvered the plane, stalled and = unstalled the wing, watched the vane move as I moved the wheel in and = out, like there was a string attached to the AOA vane. It makes me so sad, every time I see a stall-related crash ... friends = and compatriots, year after year, hundreds of great aircraft and = wonderful people, die unnecessarily. =20 Why? =20 The GenAv survivors should blame the FAA and manufacturers' marketing = departments. =20 We Experimenters have only ourselves to blame. We don't believe in AOAs. = We don't want to take the time or spend the money. We don't want to = make our beautiful planes ugly. We don't want to degrade performance = one mph. We don't want to learn new tricks. We're great pilots, and = we'll never make that mistake. But a few of us do. Please excuse my continued harping on this. It's just 'tough love'. Terrence L235/320 N211AL --Apple-Mail-33-259318691 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii If I = may, comparatively briefly:
We all know the word 'stall' refers the = wing's airflow breaking away at a certain angle.
You, =  the pilot, controls the angle at which the airflow approaches the = wing.  Hands off the pitch control that angle stays where you = trimmed it, regardless of attitude. You probably don't really believe = that. but it's true -- unless -- you are too far aft CG, or the total = airplane has a pitching moment that increases 'nose-up' as the AOA = increases.

Many (military) aircraft with = artificial stabilization are designed to use all lifting surfaces to get = the best L/D, for more performance -- at the cost of = stability.
GenAv planes don't. Some Experimentals are = marginally stable or even unstable when at high AOAs.  Add to that, = all the fatal GenAv accidents are caused by unintentional stalls, = a quarter to a third of all fatals.
Because the pilot pulled = his wing past its stall AOA .. = unintentionally.
Unintentionally, because he can not SEE the = air-to-wing angle.  Because he does not habitually reference how he = is 'planing' his wing.  He uses airspeed, a very vague, inaccurate = reference to the wing-wing angle.
For GenAv planes, the FAA = persistently, ignorantly, does not require all airplanes to have an AOA = indicating vane right in the pilot's field of vision, and require him to = demonstrate using it, to get his license.

The = great majority of pilots are not aerodynamics guys who have designed an = airplane, built their own design, and then got in it and risked their = life on their own design knowledge.   Most know about AOA, but = don't understand it -- or use it.
I was ignorant too, in spite = of my Navy wings and five more year of GenAv flying.  Until 1960 = when I bought Waco's last prototype Experimental and restored and flew = it, and then conducted a FAA Type Certification program for my own = similar design, a 6-seater ... then I realized I needed to really = understand what was going on at high AOAs, and started making my own AOA = vanes, so I could see the angles, down to one degree, and watch them as = I maneuvered the plane, stalled and unstalled the wing, watched the vane = move as I moved the wheel in and out, like there was a string attached = to the AOA vane.

It makes me so sad, every time = I see a stall-related crash ... friends and compatriots, year after = year, hundreds of great aircraft and wonderful people, die = unnecessarily.  
Why?  
The GenAv = survivors should blame the FAA and manufacturers' marketing departments. =  
We Experimenters have only ourselves to blame. We don't = believe in AOAs.  We don't want to take the time or spend the = money.  We don't want to make our beautiful planes ugly.  We = don't want to degrade performance one mph.  We don't want to learn = new tricks.  We're great pilots, and we'll never make that mistake. = But a few of us do.
Please excuse my continued harping on = this.  It's just 'tough = love'.

Terrence
L235/320 = N211AL

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