X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 12:16:11 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from smtp.perigee.net ([173.188.254.45] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with ESMTPS id 5033986 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 11:25:35 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=173.188.254.45; envelope-from=jschroeder@perigee.net Received: from john-study-2.perigee.net (dsl-208-26-41-104.perigee.net [208.26.41.104]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.perigee.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p5RFP6Dd028084 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 11:25:07 -0400 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=----------ErSgHgSfZrsvN7dzfXQ2tB X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Stalls References: X-Original-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 11:24:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "John Schroeder" X-Original-Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.11 (Win32) ------------ErSgHgSfZrsvN7dzfXQ2tB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Bill - Bob Hoover had a very similar routine under an AF contract to visit all of the F-100 bases. They were losing F-100's at a very high rate because people were using ailerons at too low of an altitude and airspeed, and not enough rudder - most commonly on the base-to-final turn. He did a roll with ailerons locked and rudder only just after takeoff. - just to demo this. Of course, that was Bob Hoover. Later on, it became a very useful tactic in ACM training because it would really tighten a turn. Cheers, John On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:34:47 -0400, billhogarty wrote: > Dan: > When I was stationed in northern Japan (in another life), they were > losing a lot of F-86D's for one reason or >another. So they flew in a > factory rep (never knew exactly who). > > He did a burner take-off and rolled it with the gear still down. Flew a > fairly tight pattern,and made a REAL >short field landing (with drag > chute and max braking). Then he did a 180 on the runway,dropped the > chute, >then took off downwind on just the available runway he used for > his short field landing. > > WOW....Talk about impressive!!!!!! Amazing the performance available > when you stay inside the envelope). > > Regards, Bill Hogarty -- Cheers, John ------------ErSgHgSfZrsvN7dzfXQ2tB Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary=----------ErSgHgSfZrsvN7YP15SwSp ------------ErSgHgSfZrsvN7YP15SwSp Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable =